To be absolutely disgusted with Bim Adewunmi's article?

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Re Harvey Weinstein.

I don't even know how to explain all the reasons why her article made me so angry. Hundreds of women were sexually assaulted and/or raped, and Adewunmi's problem is that they were all white. So apparently it is racist not to molest black women now? In her article, she had basically offended both white and black women.

Urgh. What a vile creature.

That's the reason black women never got the roles because they weren't considered fuckable. The white mans power in Hollywood to take who he wants and sees as fuckable. It's disgusting good actresses are moved to one side because they aren't fuckable.

Jesus, the article isn't about judging Weinstein for not raping POC.

It's about the fact that he and others have built a system where they audition and cast actresses based on their fuckability (Weinstein's own oft used word), and the implications of said system, of which there are many. It's a double edged sword for the actresses. If Weinstein and others like him judge them attractive, they're at risk of rape and sexual assault. If Weinstein and others like him don't judge them attractive, they're completely shut out of career opportunities. The author isn't claiming the latter is as awful as the former, she's simply pointing out that a system built men's attraction to the people they hire affects many facets of people's careers and representation in media in general.

That's not even accurate- he harassed Lupita (a famous Oscar nominated black actress)

She wrote an Oped in the NY Times about it!

The point about jay z not speaking out against him is interesting. Although i don't agree. I think jay z holds much more power than a fledgling (female) actress being targeted by weinstein or similar. And i don't think by not speaking out jayz or similar will gain more power than if they did speak out. Ulimately he has the easier choice- speak out and possible loose power/money while still retaining a great deal of money,power and respect. Or not speak out and maybe get a golden welcome from hollywood elite, but loose respect of women (who i doubt he gives a fuck about). Much better choice than that of a white female victim where speaking up gets them branded a slut who was asking for it by going to his room and ruins her career or she shuts up in the knowledge her abuser gets away with it but she might get a career as a conoloation prize. I still think jayz has much greater privilage in that comparrision and the fact he chooses the old boys club over women emphasises that imo.

However i think that's possibley easy to say from the perspective of a white brittish woman.

The bald fact of the matter is that relatively few WoC get cast in or auditioned for Hollywood films in the first place. That's why most of the actresses passing through HW'a clutches were Caucasian (and most of the non-Caucasian actresses were not Black).

It seems he did assault black actresses but he was preying on a predominantly white pool of women. Therefore most of his victims are white. That's it. That's what it is.

Conclusion; Black women are woefully under represented in film. Which we already knew and is still as bad and disappointing as it ever was.

Making a point of muddling the separate horrible things into one ambiguous article with liberal use of the word "fuckable" is just revolting.

This article was written before Lupita's op-ed came out, hence the update at the bottom.

I don't understand what's so disgusting about writing about other aspects of the scandal and the light it shines on a corrupt society. It's not as if outrage is in limited supply.

It seems doubtful he only raped white women.

www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/singapore-actress-creepy-encounter-with-harvey-weinstein

Battleax the author is quoting Weinstein with the word 'fuckable'. She's not saying the women were raped/assaulted because they were 'fuckable', she's simply quoting him with one common reason he used for casting/not casting actresses.

It's not another "aspect of the scandal" Bert, it's a (terrible) pre-existing Hollywood norm.

kmc she goes on to use it herself I'm without inverted commas when she's editorialising.

The bald fact of the matter is that relatively few WoC get cast in or auditioned for Hollywood films in the first place.

Exactly, and what this article is saying is that this is one of the reasons why. Execs like Weinstein take meetings based on attraction, not merit, and the actresses they're attracted to are predominantly young, white and beautiful.

"It's not another "aspect of the scandal" Bert, it's a (terrible) pre-existing Hollywood norm."

Sorry-I'll rephrase. "Using the scandal to shine a spotlight on other elements of a corrupt society"

Indeed and my very strong feeling is that hijacking a series of crimes in which dozens of women have been HURT to draw attention to the racism of Hollywood is misguided.

It's the kind of fringe radicalism that backfires. So I don't see that it benefits the black acting community either.

And? That's how it should be written. She quoted him, and then she goes on to discuss the implications of said quote. It would be incorrect to continue quoting him throughout, but at every point she's very clearly using his word to describe his choices, not editorialising with her own judgement on the victims 'fuckability'.

I think you are misunderstanding her point op

She was citing the measure used by Weinstein and his peers, not her own opinion of fuckability.

That is a massive issue in Hollywood and I don't see that it detracts from his victims (predominantly white) to say why there were apparently fewer black victims. Both issues are part of the wider discrimination against women in the industry and the two things are related.

OP, you appear to be rather wilfully missing her point, I think actually for quite nefarious purposes but I'll leave it there.

Yeah, I think you've misinterpreted the article tbh, OP.

And? That's how it should be written. She quoted him, and then she goes on to discuss the implications of said quote. It would be incorrect to continue quoting him throughout, but at every point she's very clearly using his word to describe his choices, not editorialising with her own judgement on the victims 'fuckability'.

This.

"Indeed and my very strong feeling is that hijacking a series of crimes in which dozens of women have been HURT to draw attention to the racism of Hollywood is misguided."
Yeah, well. Depends what you mean by hijacking, I suppose.

Urgh, I don't know. I just got angry because Weinstein abused and humiliated so many women, and Adewunmis is turning it into a race issue. It made me furious. What if he only raped black women? Would there be an uproar that only black women were abused?

As sad as it is that ethnic minorities are underrepresented, this isn't about them - this is about the Victims. And in this case, the victims were mostly white. Doesn't make it any less dreadful.

I think you've missed the point op. Completely.

"Adewunmis is turning it into a race issue."

No, she is adding another element to a terrible story.

"What if he only raped black women? Would there be an uproar that only black women were abused? "

I dont even know what you mean by this. Where does "uproar" come from? Black women note a correlation between his vicitms and his casting decisions is not uproar.