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To have made a complaint to HR?

117 replies

soupforbrains · 26/10/2017 10:56

I don’t want to drip feed so this might be a bit long sorry!

A little background for starters. I work for a large Italian company in the U.K. in a male dominated industry. The company has a number of ‘sub-companies’ which operate separately on different activities but which are often closely linked.

The company I work for owns our office building and one other of the Group companies ‘rents’ some floors in the building.

On Tuesday I was carrying out a task which involved checking the fire extinguisher types and locations throughout the whole building. All areas of all floors are accessed using key-cards and only people from the relevant company/project have access to each area.

One of our security guards, Bob, came with me to walk through the whole building top to bottom te ensure I could access all areas.

As I entered one of the areas used by the other company I paused to check my plans just outside the office of Mario whom I know, Mario gives me a cheery hello and I then continued to look at the plans to work out where to check.

Another employee let’s call him Luigi, walked past, and, nodding his head at me said to Mario “bordello”. Mario looks up from his work and says “eh?”. Luigi again nods at me and says again “bordello” before walking off.

I don’t speak much Italian, and in the moment wasn’t sure I had understood so quickly checked what I needed to and left the room. At which point Bob says to me with an eyebrows raised face “even I know what that word means”.

I felt a bit uncomfortable but still wasn’t sure what it meant so sort of brushed it off.

Yesterday I found it was still bothering me, so I looked it up, and bordello means brothel or whorehouse. Obviously this is very insulting/offensive.

In the male dominated environment I work in sometimes the ‘locker room” environment means people overstep lines, plus there is sometimes a linguistic/cultural difference and I have never before made a complaint. This is because A) all things a bit Hmm that have been said before I know were intended complimentarily/playfully and were just one party going a bit far or wording things in a way that comes across wrongly.
And B) anything which may have previously happened has happened with someone with whom I have a good working relationship and with whom I have no problem simply saying “no, that’s a bit far” or “you can’t say that” etc. No-one has ever ‘repeat offended’.

However I have lodged a formal complaint about this because I have never even spoken to Luigi AND there is no way at all that what he said could have been anything other than an offensive insult.

I mentioned this to a colleague who then asked what happened and their response was “it’s just a word”.

So, was I being unreasonable to have made a complaint?

*names have been changed throughout Grin

OP posts:
Ktown · 27/10/2017 12:57

Bordello means a mess or chaos in French as well as whorehouse
I’ve used it a lot at work! I wouldn’t expect someone to go to hr about it.
Does it mean similar in Italian?

Joey7t8 · 27/10/2017 13:38

However as I mentioned I did run the incident past my Italian colleague prior to speaking to HR precisely to check if there was another meaning. It seems she was unaware of this meaning so sadly my running it past her may not have had the usefulness I had hoped.

Sounds like you Italian colleague could be a bit devious in trying to make you look like a fool or trouble maker. There is absolutely no way that she won't have known that bordello is normally used to mean a mess or shambles, particularly in this context.

ConciseandNice · 31/10/2017 11:43

Witchend that's brilliant. Thanks I never knew. I love that kind of fact.

RhiWrites · 31/10/2017 11:53

If this was a misunderstanding, it is not the OP's fault. Gesturing at OP, making a comment that she didn't understand and whIch carries a negative common meaning was EXCEPTIONALLY UNWISE.

The poster suggesting she should be disciplined for making an allegation is dead wrong. She was made uncomfortable and she brought it to her manager and HR which was the right thing to do.

RoseWhiteTips · 31/10/2017 12:01

It is not “just a word”. You are absolutely right to lodge a formal complaint.

RoseWhiteTips · 31/10/2017 12:03

You should NOT have passed any comment, in fact. People should desist from trying to excuse/explain his behaviour.

RoseWhiteTips · 31/10/2017 12:03

Sorry...

HE should not have passed any comment...

RhiannonOHara · 31/10/2017 13:26

Completely agree, Rhi.

LondonNicki · 31/10/2017 13:33

You were completely right to complain about this. It sounds like the security guard was a witness so that will be enough to find against Luigi. Hopefully the verbal warning he receives will teach him the hard way that you don't demean and insult women for your own entertainment.

2014newme · 31/10/2017 13:40

I work in HR in an international company.. People speak in their native languages all the time including in formal meetings. I can be in a meeting with people from 20 countries speaking various languages before the formal meeting in English starts.
If you came to me saying that you thought someone said something offensive in another language then I'd ask their manager to investigate. But likely outcome is 'language misunderstanding'. However, if it's happened again or their had been a similar complaint before, we'd start to build a picture that this was deliberately offensive and not a misunderstanding.
Also the mere fact of investigating may stop the employee doing it again. However he could have been saying something else not brothel who knows.

2014newme · 31/10/2017 13:42

Just to add that a complaint of 'someone might have said the word bordello' to me is the kind of heartsink issue we really can't be arsed with in HR, but we would get it investigated. But it work turn out to mean fire safety or something.

tiddleywinks27 · 31/10/2017 13:48

I think you have good enough reason to log 2 separate complaints actually; 1 for Luigi nodding at you and then saying a word which translates to whore house and 2 for speaking in a language in front of you knowing you are not fluent and don't understand. I find this SO rude.

2014newme · 31/10/2017 13:50

If no 2 bothers you, never work in a global business!
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

RoseWhiteTips · 31/10/2017 13:57

How helpful and trite.

RoseWhiteTips · 31/10/2017 13:58

tiddleywinks27

I think you have good enough reason to log 2 separate complaints actually; 1 for Luigi nodding at you and then saying a word which translates to whore house and 2 for speaking in a language in front of you knowing you are not fluent and don't understand. I find this SO rude.

Exactly.

Footle · 31/10/2017 16:46

If he’d said ‘bidello’ he’d have meant Bob. ‘Bidella’ for a female caretaker.

PidgeonSpray · 01/11/2017 22:23

Any update OP? has he been sacked yet?

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