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AIBU?

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To feel slightly offended by odd encounter

59 replies

RuncibleSp00n · 24/10/2017 09:49

I’ll preface this by saying I’m very sleep-deprived and a bit stressed due to a few issues this morning. So I’m fully prepared to be told (nicely!) that IABU due to over-sensitivity caused by tiredness. Just wondered what others opinions are tho, because I’m not v good at standing up for myself or being assertive if someone crosses a line, and wondered if I should’ve been a bit more assertive here...

On way to drop DS(4) at nursery earlier (just me and youngest, as oldest was already at school) a random stranger calls over the road to me, shouting “you got two then?”. I was initially Confused but realised she too had a DD with her of about same age so I crossed rd to walk with her to answer her, and ascertained through deduction that our youngest are both at same nursery (although she didn’t actually tell me this, just seemed to assume I knew this despite fact I’d not seen her before). She told me she “assumes I work” because I always look harried and like I don’t have enough time in the day. I sort-of laughed in surprise and I was a bit caught off-guard because I’ve honestly never seen this woman or her DCs before (despite me being v sociable with all local parents and being the kind of person who’ll always chat to all other parents at school/nursery etc). She went on to tell me (unsolicited) that I always look like I’m rushing and stressed, and that she doesn’t know how or why I’d live like that. She told me “I didn’t go back to work after having mine, so I can’t imagine rushing around like you do- you never look like you’re managing to juggle everything”. This was said in a really blunt, matter-of-fact way, not with any concern or compassion, just a sort-of voyeuristic bluntness which seemed a bit at-odds with what I’d feel appropriate to say to a complete stranger.

I’m all for having a good off-load to other mums and/or offering sympathy or help with school-runs etc and discussing the complex jigsaw of family life, but this woman wasn’t offering any smiles/sympathy/tips/solidarity, she just seemed to want to approach a stranger, tell them she’s basically been watching them and they appear to have their hands too full & be poor at being places on time, outline that she herself doesn’t understand why I do this because she doesn’t have this problem what with being a SAHM, and then not get the hint at all when she saw me blushing and looking a bit embarrassed/taken-aback.

I found myself pathetically explaining why this term’s been a bit less organised than usual (a change in my job, trialling a different permutation of breakfast club provision, youngest starting pre-School and having a major operation etc... and felt I was sort-of defending myself against insinuations that I am poor at coping or inadequate.

The fact is, having two kids at two different schools, a demanding professional job (albeit part-time) and lots of volunteering/fund-raising duties for the school etc does make life busy for anyone. It’s not insurmountable or deserving of pity or condemnation from strangers, it’s jusf how life is for a lot of parents (everyone I know!). We cut eachother some slack, not call-out strangers in the street to tell them we think they’re effectively hapless and disorganised.

So, AIBU to have come away feeling a bit odd about this encounter and this fellow parent? And should I grow a backbone when next I see her, and have something assertive but clear to say to her about the realities of being a working parent, in case if any further unsolicited sly digs? If so, what??! Grin

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Caulk · 24/10/2017 10:43

I think she was just trying to make conversation and doesn’t find it easy - she sounds like my friend who has asd.

Given how often MN is full of people saying they find small talk hard or that they are embarrassed for saying something that came out wrong, I would just be polite when you see her. Don’t assume she’s weird or being twattish though.

TheVanguardSix · 24/10/2017 10:46

Avoid. She's an oddball. She's observing you and judging you. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid. I've befriended these types because they've sort of launched themselves at me and it always ended up going totally weird!
Anyone at the school gates who notices your appearance or otherwise too much is a weirdo with too much time on their hands. I have a school mum who constantly tells me, "I feel so sorry for you. You look so tired all the time." Every time I see her, she says this! I have a complex now. I just think, "I look like such shit all the time, I actually invite pity." Bizarre.
True, I have a heck of a lot going on in life but I am not unique. Loads of parents at the school gates are dealing with life stuff.
Seriously OP, do avoid her. I know people say don't but err... DO!

Teenagerwoes · 24/10/2017 10:52

Anyone who feels the need to say all that to anyone is a knob!

CountryGirl1985 · 24/10/2017 11:00

Very odd - she's either a total tw*t who wants to shove her "happy go lucky, aren't I fortunate" lifestyle down your throat (in which case you can guarantee it's not quite so fortunate!) but my other thought as I was reading the first part of your post was could she be building you up for an MLM pitch? As a former FL twit (I'm sorry - I saw the light fairly quickly but it's still a blot on my landscape!) this sounds like an extremely awkward attempt at "relationship building" advocated by top HunBot. Having been taught to use Feel, Felt Found (I can't imagine how it must feel always rushing, I found FL and since then have felt much better having time with DS bollocks) don't be surprised if there are future attempts and my advice is run like hell!

RuncibleSp00n · 24/10/2017 11:01

You’re all absolutely brilliant! Thank you. If the school gates/streets were filled solely with MNers the world would be a heck of a lot of a better place! I raise my coffee mug to you all! Brew

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JustDanceAddict · 24/10/2017 11:04

I know someone who would say this sort of thing. She’s very odd, so please ignore. All mums rush about!

TheVanguardSix · 24/10/2017 11:07

Oh my God. Yes. That's it! CountryGirl I think you're onto something.
What's that smell, that smelly smell that smells like a rank pyramid scheme heading in your direction?
In any case, avoid!
I've had a couple of those mums try and lube me up and down to get me into bed with their crazy FL/Herbalife/Arbonne 'life changing opportunities'.
"Did I mention you'll be driving to the bank in one of several of your very own German whips by the time I've completed my brainwashing mission on you?"

quercuscircus · 24/10/2017 11:09

She sounds like one of those rude twats who try to appear confident but actually are insecure and jealous. She might think you are an easy target for her ravings if you look busy and a bit stressed and maybe the kind of person who its too polite to answer back or tell her to get lost. She might think she can strike a nerve and worm her way in. She has probably worked through some other mums and now needs to try someone new which is why it seems a bit stalkerish. Some people are just vampires and love to feed on other people's misfortune or insecurities.

Don't be a push over or you will never be rid of her! Don't engage with a debate about working vs SAH and certainly don't defend yourself. Keep your replies to a minimum or none at all and she will get bored of not getting a rise out of you. Be busy with other things or sing with the children or something.

Perhaps change your routine by 5 mins so you might miss her.

If she pushes it say that you didn't like the assumptions she made about you and that you will not be becoming friends.

Also, use this encounter to realise that you are doing a great job at managing lots of different roles and that if your children are happy and cared for, then that is plenty good enough.

Then if you get ambushed by a twat again, you wont fall into the mode of defending yourself because a small part of you thinks maybe they have a point, you will just look at them incredulously and say that you think they must have you confused with someone else because your life is actually fine (despite any struggles). As you say we all have difficulties, there's no need to make anyone feel worse than they already might.

nosleepforme · 24/10/2017 11:11

gosh, i would have said something at the time, especially since you do not even know her! but not worth going up to her now imo
she sounds like an idiot! ignore!
but if she does come up to you again, don't let a stranger or anyone speak to you like that, and firmly put them back in their place

washingmachinefastwash · 24/10/2017 11:11

Very odd.

Yes yes doing your best OP and you don’t need to justify yourself to this other mum.

furcoatandnoknickers · 24/10/2017 11:13

Sounds So weird - you have never seen her before?...are you SURE she goes to the same nursery??? Deff don't give all that info away to someone you have never met. You don't need to defend yourself or your busy schedule. You sound lovely and she is a ...stranger.

schoolgaterebel · 24/10/2017 11:18

She’s a weird one, I’d try my best to avoid her in the future.

She obviously has a chip on her shoulder about being a SAHP and is trying to justify herself to you.

In the words of Taylor Swift ‘shake it off’ Grin

3out · 24/10/2017 11:23

It sounds like she struggles with social norms. If you meet her again, just say ‘So, tell me all about you. Do you miss your job? Do you have time for a hobbie or do you find being a SAHM consumes all your time because you never get a break?’

People who are as straightforward/blunt/rude as she was quite often make the best friends. You know exactly where you are with them. No second guessing.

DJBaggySmalls · 24/10/2017 11:23

We need a prepared list of snappy one liners and come backs for these kinds of cheeky fuckers. Idk how I would have reacted but would have probably thought of the perfect response 3 days later...

VimFuego101 · 24/10/2017 11:25

I also suspected an MLM pitch coming on. If she starts her next conversation with 'I used to be rushed and stressed just like you, but then I found a way to work from home and make 10 million pounds an hour...' run away!

DonkeyOil · 24/10/2017 11:26

If she ever tries to speak to you again, I'd just smile, quicken my pace and say pointedly "Sorry, in a rush as usual, no time to chat!"

Angryosaurus · 24/10/2017 12:02

I also think she was trying to be pleasant and start a conversation with you. I'd give her a second chance, it doesn't sound like she meant to hurt your feelings. Maybe she was just saying things she'd heard other working Mums discuss with each other and thought they would get you chatting (everything she said of you I would happily admit applies to me Grin )

TalkinBoutWhat · 24/10/2017 12:06

I find 'Really? Good for you.' Perfect for many of these encounters.

PuppyMonkey · 24/10/2017 12:08

In a weird way, though, the fact you explained your situation a bit more might have got through to her. Maybe she'll think twice about just making thoughtless assumptions about complete strangers in future.

Yeah, I know. Maybe not. There's a chance though, right? Grin

seven201 · 24/10/2017 12:09

What a bitch! Sorry she made you feel like crap. You sound like you’re doing an amazing job to me

RuncibleSp00n · 25/10/2017 13:40

CountryGirl and others who’ve suggested it may be a MLM thing... I’m intrigued! Forgive my utter naivety here but what is MLM? I’m guessing it’s some sort of pyramid sales, shonky scam? If it’s a thing on Facebook that’s possibly why I missed it (I’m not on Facebook), but I’m v grateful for this being mentioned as a possibility, because I tend to be v trusting and open to suggestions easily led because of my good nature, so I’ll beware of her (or others) if they start to mention those things you mentioned. I could be quite easy pickings, and need to stop being so bloody friendly and people-pleasing really, as it constantly results in things which drain my time/energy/reserves and I end up stressed, resentful and panicky.

Oh, to have a lovely backbone irl not people-pleasing. Envious.

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ohbigdaddio · 25/10/2017 13:50

One comeback retort which I read on an unrelated thread but is a one-size-fits-all phrase for situations like this is "Did you mean to be so rude?"

CountryGirl1985 · 25/10/2017 14:21

Runcible - MLM is multi-level marketing. Think pyramid scheme but with an overpriced product to keep it (barely) legal. Common Ines are Forever Living (aloe Vera based everything), Juice Plus, Younique etc... they like to target those looking for extra income so will be really ramping up in the run up to Christmas. They all tend to work similarly - a down payment (I think Unique is about seventy quid, FL is a couple of hundred, not sure about Jp) with the promise of "owning your own business, unlimited earnings" Yada yada. They love new Mums, single Mums, Mums who are in low paid jobs and will try and strike friendship/relationship with random strangers based on having something in common then they'll just have to share their "amazing opportunity " with you. Run. Run and do Not look back if she does. You'll never see the money you "invest in your future" ever again! Check out Elle Beau anti-MLM blogger she's got it nailed!

BenLui · 25/10/2017 16:34

That’s so outrageously rude it’s quite funny.

Next time you could say “I might be busy but I still have time for good manners”

However I find the absolute best to this kind of thing is silence, a raised eyebrow and firm look.

Don’t feel embarrassed, don’t feel guilty, don’t be upset. It’s definitely not you, it’s her.

oldlaundbooth · 25/10/2017 16:43

She sounds insecure to me.