Universal Credit won't be paid in months with 5 weeks. (WTF?) AIBU to think no one realises

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If you get paid weekly, and there are 5 weeks in a month, in those months your pay will likely go over the Universal Credit limit and your UC will be stopped. You will have to go without that month and apply again.

WTF are they thinking?

Have they never heard of averages FFS? (That's how Tax Credits works). This is going to screw over so many people. It's ludricous.

The people claiming UC aren't any richer that month, they get the same amount of money as if it was paid in 12 monthly chunks.

This will happen to thousands of people every time there's a month with 5 weeks. (I guess they mean 5 Mondays?)

This is farcical.

There's 5 weeks in January, so if you get paid weekly that's you fucked for February.

April, July, October and December also have 5 Mondays.

This is utterly farcical and just plain callous.

Frequency don't tell them all that last bit, it's a secret don't you know

The Tories brought us here. Back in the 1970's things did need to change, but most people expected to work. Then in the next decade Thatcherism killed the work ethic. They wasted the revenue from oil and gas giving tax cuts for the wealthy instead of moving us on from the old style manufacturing and industry.

They are still giving tax breaks to the wealthy. And benefit sanctions cost the taxpayer more than they save.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/benefits-sanctions-cost-more-than-they-save-report-finds_uk_583db145e4b090a702a66859

Yellow, you and moral compass can get bent.

Yellow can't even be bothered to engage with you and your wilful ignorance and disgusting attitude. You can't argue with stupid.

Moral compass? So as a benefit claimant I don't possess any moral compass?

Nice to know that, thank you.

I very much doubt they will. Since Labour changed the system so that child support isn't counted in any benefits it's all extra money on top. I think you need to check your sources. Child benefit counts as 'money you already have coming in'. Parental Child support is not counted anymore because it's frequently not paid/late/changeable etc.

Frequency is right- people spend far too much time listening to the media and watching poverty porn which makes them believe that every single claimant is like that, not that these are people in a minority.

No matter what the government do there are always going to be people who try and take the piss, its human nature for some, sadly everyone else is tarred with the same brush by many.

my DC come home to an empty house, to support the truly needy.
Which truly needy are they? The ones that have left DV? The disabled people I mentioned upthread who are being turfed out of crisis beds in mental health units to meet their UC mentors? The disabled people in sheltered housing who have to go and prove that they're still disabled every month, despite doctors and consultant letters?

If they get more they aren't going to suddenly change their moral compass and stop claiming.
Interesting, do I, on paper look like a benefit scrounger? Is my grammar not quite right, my spelling? Perhaps it's the construction of my sentences?
In other words you know nothing about people on benefits or why they are on them. Your compass needs re-setting.

I hope you all will be successful in your protests and petition. My local bus companies started short changing last year. They now only issue 28 days (4 weeks) pass instead of a monthly pass (30/31days) from date of purchase.

For the same amount of money nameusername?

Is it the receiving benefits or the receiving child maintenance that reflects the moral compass Yellow?

Thanks for some suggestions, I’m fortunate that my rent gets covered by my wages so is paid for this month.

My UC is for food, petrol and general living expenses. My parents have thankfully offered to help do the pressure is off for now.

a. Re MLMS the JCs advertise these as proper jobs.

b. 16 years ago i was working ten hour night shifts in a sex chatline office. One of my colleuges was doing v. similar hours to me = caring for a toddler because her husband worked during the day.

She managed it. Want to know how? Drugs thats how Uppers

It made her very ill in the end.

I think I'm maybe being a bit dim here ( I haven't been through all 20 pages of the thread), but is it not like being paid calendar monthly?

I don't get any more money for a five week month than I do for a four week month? (I work for the council, as a TA). I've just stopped getting tax credits, which were paid 4 weekly, so it hardly ever coincided with my pay day, which is the very last day of every month, or the last Friday if the end of the month falls at a weekend.
It was not difficult to work out, neither is being paid calendar monthly. DH gets paid every 4 weeks, so it is rare our pay days are at the same time, either.
If I've missed the point spectacularly, I apologise, but I can't quite fathom the problem...I had to wait a calendar month for my first payday when I started this job. Tax credits got paid in arrears after a few weeks. It was hard, but it all eventually evened out.

Even if these mythical people existed, how on earth do you work out that they would not be affected by UC?

Far from mythical people, did you not read what i wrote, or did you just choose to read certain parts! I said there is People who cant work, and there ARE people who can that choose not too! Are you seriously that delusional to think that everyone thats on benefits CANT work!!

Jam if you're entitled to UC your husbands pay dates would potentially be an issue as there will be a month of the year he gets paid twice, therefore putting you over the threshold and you wouldn't get a payment that month (or a drastically reduced one) because they would assess you as having too much coming in.
I hope that makes sense!

people spend far too much time listening to the media and watching poverty porn which makes them believe that every single claimant is like that, not that these are people in a minority

The people who appear on the poverty porn shows aren't even like that. It's called editing. TV crews get people to stand in the messiest corner of their house to be filmed, encourage them to sit on the sofa for interviews and provide them with free fags, which they are also encouraged to smoke during the interviews.

Naive MC people then sit raging in front of their TV while the star of the show desperately tries to catch up on the laundry she never got to do during filming and the 35 hours of job seeking she needs to do to avoid being sanctioned. If she's lucky, C5 might have left a stray pack of Lambert and Butler behind.

You learn this shit in GCSE Media studies along with media bias. How people still fall for it is beyond me.

Frequency I had a feeling a lot of it was exaggerated but thank you for confirming.

The big annoyance for me is when people still go on programmes like that- I guess some feel that they will be portrayed fairly and accurately when the reality is very different.

Maybe it’s time to turn the tables, and roll out programme after programme on elite shit bags dodging tax.

Frequency i did Media Studies at college I remember us watching the Peter Sellers film "Im Alright Jack"

What proportion of total benefits spending goes to unemployment benefits, according to data from the Office for National Statistics?

1%.

Unclaimed benefits amount to £13.2bn each year, according to figures by the Department for Work and Pensions. How much more is this than the amount lost to fraud?

10 times.

How many claimants of jobseeker’s allowance claim for more than a year?

10%

It astounds me that people believe these benefit scrounger programmes designed for government propaganda. Do some research. Or is it better to believe it all and avoid the reality that people are really struggling? Easy to blame them I suppose.

One of them was filmed not far from me. I have FB friends in common with some of the 'stars' They were devastated at how they'd been portrayed. It was questioned at the time of filming, but producers brushed their concerns aside, claiming they were trying to make the show more authentic and an equal amount of airtime would be given to them jobseeking, doing housework, budgeting etc. Obviously that never happened but when you're on your knees and you have people throwing at cigarettes at you and buying your kids happy meals, you're not going to ask too many questions. They were made to feel as though these people were their friends and that they genuinely cared about them and wanted to help them.

I agree, you can't moan about the government wanting to stop funding your SAHP. It's a luxury you can't afford so why should it be funded by others?

Let me just point this out once! My stay at home husband does NOT receive benefits at all! So you are mot funding him! I have an oppinion just like you! I work my arse off to provide for my family, you,your husband and the state do not provide for our lifestyle!!! Child care would cost me £12 an hour and £20 after 6pm, i work 12 day shifts hour shifts how is he supposed to work around my hours? So he would do night shift when i came home from work, who would look after my children when i was at work the next day or are we supposed to be robots that dont need sleep!!

They are going to cover this on ITV news in a few minutes.