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I want my 20 year old son to grow up and leave home

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Ilovecrisps22 · 18/10/2017 11:14

My oldest DS is 20, but acts like he’s 14. My 12 year old acts older than him.

He has always been lazy, he never bothered with school (he went, but only did what he needed to do), he doesn’t care about how he looks, spends all his money on shite (thankfully not alcohol or drugs, but computer games, crisps, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits etc) and generally just acts extremely immature.

He is at college, his dad and I personally think he is kidding himself on with college, it’s to be a personal trainer, but he doesn’t eat properly or train, doesn’t study, so we can’t see this going anyway. Of course we don’t tell him this, and we try to encourage him as much as possible, and try to get him to show us his college work and tell us what he’s doing but he doesn’t tell/show us, and just tells us he is passing his test!

His room is disgusting and I mean disgusting. Whenever he opens his bedroom door, the smell that comes from it is terrible and even my younger children complain about it. He leaves clean clothes which I’ve washed and ironed on the floor in a pile, mixed with dirty clothes. He takes food upstairs and it gets left uneaten for days, so the plates are encrusted with food, he never uses a bin so the rubbish is scattered all over the floor.
He shares a bathroom with his younger brother but he never takes his turn to clean it, smelly towels left all over the floor, his empty shampoo/soap bottles cluttering up the shower.

He has eczema and has to get special cleaning products from the doctor, but he hasn’t been back to see the doctor in months, and the products have run out.

He constantly argues with us.

Now this is something he has always done, and it doesn’t matter what we do/say to him it doesn’t make any difference. I have tried helping him clean the room, to show how lovely it can be when it’s nice, it doesn’t matter, I have tried not cleaning his clothes, he just wears dirty clothes and will take his dads socks/underwear and wear that. We have tried speaking to him in a calm manner (I have been in tears in front of him), it doesn’t work, I have screamed and shouted at him, it doesn’t matter, nothing works.

He has a girlfriend (which we are really pleased about) we thought this would make him buck up his ideas, it it didn’t. Again we spoke to him about this, and all he said was “girlfriends room is like that too”.
He has started to stay at his girlfriends parents house and whenever he is away, the calm that descends on the house is fabulous, and TBH I actually dread when he returns home.

He works with an agency so it works round about his college hours, but he wants to do minimum hours as possible so he can spend it with his girlfriend. I’ve tried to tell him he can’t do this as his student loan won’t cover everything and that he needs to work to help boost his funds. He never has any money as he spends it all, so therefore he needs to ask me, and if I say I’m not giving you any money he just says, well I just won’t bother going to college or work. He also threatens not to babysit his younger siblings if I don’t give him money (we don’t have any other family that we could ask to babysit).

AIBU I’m feeling like this, can anyone give me any ideas as to how I can make his see what he is like. My other 2 children are not like this, they are the complete opposite.

OP posts:
Contactmap · 09/12/2021 02:53

He has a girlfriend (which we are really pleased about)
I pity that poor girl. I wonder why her bar is set so low.

Josette77 · 09/12/2021 03:09

He is in school, works part-time, has a girlfriend, pays rent, and babysits for you.
Other than the messy room I don't see a problem.

SoosanCarter · 09/12/2021 03:34

The OP was four years ago……..

2catsandhappy · 09/12/2021 05:01

@Ilovecrisps22 I would love to know what happened in the last 4 years?

SpindlesWinterWhorl · 09/12/2021 05:33

@Restorergirl, you might be best to start your own thread on Relationships, as this is a resurrected thread from 2017 and posters will keep responding to that OP and not to you.

(It's called a ZOMBIE thread.)

It sounds like you need some support.

Redrosesandsunsets · 09/12/2021 06:19

We need to hear from the original OP. What’s the 24 year old doing now @Ilovecrisps22?

pictish · 09/12/2021 06:51

He’s 20…not 48.

All sounds normal and fine to me. I have a son of 20 who’s at home with us. He’s at college, works part time, has a girlfriend, spends his money on shite and his room is a hovel. Also thinks he knows everything.

Despite that he’s kind, cheerful, motivated and great company. I’m proud of him. He’s maturing and growing as one would expect.

pictish · 09/12/2021 06:52

Oh it’s a zombie thread. Duh.

Roselilly36 · 09/12/2021 06:58

I think you are being harsh.

Babysitting younger siblings personally I think is unfair & not his responsibility.

A lot of parents would be quite content given his better qualities I should think.

OnTheBenchOfDoom · 09/12/2021 07:07

As this ZOMBIE thread has been brought back to life, what happened in the end OP? @Ilovecrisps22

JuneOsborne · 09/12/2021 07:10

Interested to know what his life is like now he's 24…wonder if the op will update?

Sunset999 · 09/12/2021 07:13

Ok i would not kick him out and age 20 is certainly not too old to be at home these days !! I would check for mental health issues first and just sit and have a good honest discussion, my kids similar age also have piles of clothes on the floor and plates and mugs in room, although I do tell them to bring them down that day or the next then they do.

Is he happy? is he ok? Id check all that first, even talk to the gf if you can?

Sunset999 · 09/12/2021 07:15

Can i add it angers me when people on here say 20 is too old to be at home, or any early to mid 20's , presuming you have little kids still so absolutely no idea. I expect my kids will be at home till 25 ish , it takes time for them to get their career / life / money established and afford to move out, get a grip

HolidayTime2021 · 09/12/2021 07:21

ASD?

Sundancerintherain · 09/12/2021 07:34

A friend of mine had very similar with ther then 20yo DS.
He is now 32 and she has ( finally) given him notice to be out by 1st Jan. He earns twice as much as her but apart from that everything else you describe is spot on.
The thing is, he now hasn't got a clue about living costs, renting, mortgages, household admin ect.
Both of mine left to go to uni at 19.
I left to work away at 19.
You have to make the leap to grow up.

tara66 · 09/12/2021 07:35

You do realize that without your support he is just one or two steps away from living on the streets - homeless and penniless?

cookiemonster2468 · 09/12/2021 07:46

He never has any money as he spends it all, so therefore he needs to ask me, and if I say I’m not giving you any money he just says, well I just won’t bother going to college or work

Honestly? So let him not go to college or work and suffer the consequences.

At this age, he is an adult. You are not there to baby him and make him go to college/ work. Presumably you have explained to him the consequences of not going and the positives of going. If he isn't getting the message, let him experience it.

You need to be a bit harsher with him or he will always be this way.

Lunaduckdrop · 09/12/2021 07:55

He as an adult but a very young one and, as you say yourself, very immature. He has a lot to learn!

Ask him if he can agree to some simple house rules:

  • No food upstairs
  • Must change his bed linen regularly
  • Allocated day once a week for his laundry
  • No "borrowing" anyone else's clothes.
  • Room ventilated
  • Dirty clothes in his own laundry basket
(explain that the last two are to get rid of the smell)

Tell him that you are pleased he goes to college, has a job, has found a girlfriend.

Then explain that he will have to accept some money management advice because it could affect both his and your credit rating if he gets into more trouble.

It is bound to be difficult but if he really feels unable to agree house rules with you and accept some advice, there is little benefit in him continuing to live at home. Your role now is to help him grow up, not do his chores and bail him out.

My mother fell for this with my brother who lived at home until he married at 31, after which his poor wife did everything for him. He never grew up properly.

Porcupineintherough · 09/12/2021 08:00

@DoubleRamsey

There isn't much you can do about money/college stuff. He will need to learn the hard way. And he will if you stop enabling him.
^^This!
SpindlesWinterWhorl · 09/12/2021 08:04

Oh great. So now a ZOMBIE thread is in 'trending'.

nannybeach · 09/12/2021 08:33

I have been in exactly this position. I was in emergency accomodation with my 2young DSs,(divorced,H tried to kill me, disappeared, stopped paying mortgage, house repossessed) DD 21,lost her live in job,her own fault. She was mature had left home at 16,(her job had to be live in) she had a sports car and an uncastrated nasty Tom cat. Borrowed money for petrol, tampons,etc,then she walked our dog and youngest to the phone box,(we didn't have a phone) he inocently told me she was arranging to go clubbing with friends,"I LL get some money from mum" I then gave her tampons, went with her to the petrol station (it was next door) obviously she realised I only had benefits. I had no car. She dossed on the sofa all day,cat attacking us,and scenting everywhere, including beds,sofa,not even looking for work. Tried chat, reasoning,then gave her a week to find work or get out. Hardest thing I've ever done. Got the"you don't care about me,I'll end up on drugs on the street". Fast forward she had exactly the same thing with her son, apologized to me.

itswonkylampshade · 09/12/2021 08:37

I know this is a zombie thread but also wonder about ASD. My (early teen) daughter is very similar and it’s immensely frustrating but it is turning out that she is dyslexic, very low working memory score which can affect organisation and reason. She’s also showing signs of being terrible with money - frittering anything she has on rubbish and no apparent motivation to earn.

hivemindneeded · 09/12/2021 08:37

Looked at another way: you have a son who is in college and has a job and a girlfriend and pays rent to you. All of those are relaly positive qualities in someone his age who has had to come of age during two years of lockdown.

Focus on this good stuff for a moment.

WRT his room, he might have ADD. I know people laugh at MN diagnoses, but the long term laziness and chaos is a key sign of it.

Instead of trying to get him to tidy it all, can you show him what he can achieve in 5 minutes. Set a timer for 5 minutes or even three and say sort floor clothes into clean and dirty piles before the timer goes off. Then when it goes off he rests it, puts dirty clothes in a wash basket and puts clean clothes away until the timer goes off again. Then he stops. That's it.

Teaching ADD people to tidy in very short bursts, focusing on just one thing is the only way they can do it. I have ADD and I do this myself. Even within 5 mins I usually get distracted and forget what I'm doing but the bell reminds me and I reset it. Worth a try.

ShonkyWonkyDonkey · 09/12/2021 11:55

@Ilovecrisps22

millifiori. That had crossed my mind about the depression, but he said he isn’t and he is really happy. He certainly seems to be happy, he has friends, is always laughing.

We have sat down and spoken to him about the bills, he just isn’t interested.
He knocks back shifts for work, to go and see his girlfriend!! He doesn’t seem to realise if he doesn’t have money he won’t get to see her, and she doesn’t live near us, he needs 2 trains to go and see her, and is about £18 for fares. I’ve again told him this and all he says is I’ve got my student loan!!!!!
He has been defaulting on his bank account, he uses his debit card to buy things, then takes the money out his bank account and spends it on rubbish, so then he gets bank charges. He keeps doing this doesn’t seem to bother him abo the bank charges?

Depressed people laugh as well!
Feedingthebirds1 · 09/12/2021 13:26

I have threatened him before that I would put him out the house, but he doesn’t bother. Whenever I’ve done that, my younger 2 get upset.

Why do they get upset? Is it because they love their brother or because they fear you'll do the same to them?

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