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To think there's something odd about the couple abducted by the talibans story

103 replies

Herculesfan · 14/10/2017 12:54

At a very base level she was heavily pregnant and backpacking through taliban occupied Afghanistan?

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Butterymuffin · 14/10/2017 15:23

It's a very, very odd story.

GeekyWombat · 14/10/2017 15:28

He's very odd but I feel really very sorry for her and the children.

MipMipMip · 14/10/2017 15:29

Haydron you may be right about no rape if pregnant. On The State it's mentioned that a slave can't be slept with until they are sure she's not pregnant.

VivaLeBeaver · 14/10/2017 15:30

One of the woman's best friends from high school is on that subreddit and gives a load of interesting background to her. Caitlin met Josh on an online star wars forum and the romance happened quite quickly. They describe her as being very trusting and innocent and think he manipulated her.

TaliZorahVasNormandy · 14/10/2017 15:31

Does anyone know for sure she was pregnant? Couldve been faking it then when they were caught, had to have a story for what happened to the child.

Sounds far fetched, but the whole story reeks of bullshit.

TemptressofWaikiki · 14/10/2017 15:50

This story indeed ‘stinks to high heaven’!

There is quite a bit of information in the public domain that he converted to Islam, which is highly likely if he married a very devout Muslim woman, especially one with strong ties to al Qaeda. Co-workers indicated that he took prayer breaks, which also suggests deep devotion. There is quite a bit of research about people from one rather orthodox faith being very likely to adopt another belief system. The propensity for ‘devoutness’ is already part of their personality. In recent years, some perhaps see devout Muslims as martyrs akin to early Christians. There is quite a strong exodus from the Catholic religion due to disillusion with the church hierarchy. If I were him and had been held captive by hostile oppressive jailors under a faith-led organisation, I would quickly get rid of the vestiges of that oppression, such as shaving the beard off. That is very symbolic and one of the first things many of whom were freed under those circumstances tended to immediately do!

They were all supposedly held in the trunk of a car, five of them! Two adults and two kids. How in the name of moronic bullshit can you fit all of them into the boot of a car? Some reports said that they were travelling with a particular Taliban faction and were captured by the Pakistani government forces and actually taken prisoner. However, due to their western origins they eventually were handed over.

He had a very pronounced interest in ‘terrorism’ and went to the lion’s den…

Intelligence officers are playing for time by declaring them ‘naïve innocents’. They will very likely be so closely monitored, that they will even know the consistency of his stool!

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/10/2017 15:50

It is very odd indeed. They'll be being watched for sure

PricklyBall · 14/10/2017 15:55

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one! I just read the BBC article on this and thought "something (in fact, a whole lot of somethings) about this story don't add up", then got to the bit about him having at one time been married to the sister of someone in Guantanamo and thought "ah, that'll be it". Radicalised online, off on a grand quest, dragging his heavily pregnant wife in tow, then it all goes tits up. I feel so sorry for his wife.

Growingboys · 14/10/2017 15:57

Agree. Weird story

CockacidalManiac · 14/10/2017 15:59

Thanks for the link viva. Going to have a look through that.

TemptressofWaikiki · 14/10/2017 16:02

There is a lot of speculation about her pregnancies. But I find it rather plausible that she/they would be trying to actually get pregnant frequently if part of a terrorist group. Makes perfect sense to keep on breeding more ‘soldiers’ for the cause. And thus, would be encouraged and supported by the leaders. They all certainly looked well nourished. Under the Nazi regime, women were actively pushed towards producing more offspring. The Islamic State also wants to get their fighters to impregnate their wives to replenish their numbers. Widows are frequently forced to re-mary if their husbands get killed. Why should it be any different for the Taliban?

UnicornSparkles1 · 14/10/2017 16:08

He's desperately trying to paint them all as victims, hence his interview almost the second they touched down in Canada.

SparklyUnicornPoo · 14/10/2017 16:18

Do we know that the children are biologically his? I mean she was raped, it might be that he's agreed to raise them as his own, she might even have convinced himself they are his, or they might just not be admitting it publicly because the poor kids don't need to know that. My eldest was conceived through rape, nobody that actually knows me other than DH and the police knows that because I don't want my son to know, and obviously if it were public knowledge there is a risk he would find out.

MrsTerryPratchett · 14/10/2017 16:29

I feel so sorry for his wife. Me too. She seems to have been through a terrible ordeal.

VivaLeBeaver · 14/10/2017 16:29

I've found something else in Reddit from someone who met them in Turkmenistan. They'd both converted to Islam and were saying they were going to Afghanistan next. Multiple people told them not to, that it wasn't safe. They said they would be fine as they were muslims and had written quotes from the Qu'oran on their backpacks.

Someone else has pointed out that in previous ISIS type captures of married couples they've been kept separate, though I don't really think there's a large pool of previous experience of this. I do remember a married couple in Somalia who were kept separate but totally different group.

Someone from Canada who knows him says he's been emotionally abusive to past girlfriends.

mothertruck3r · 14/10/2017 16:31

I think he tricked/brainwashed her into going. She looks really uncomfortable with him, almost scared. I wonder if he went full jihadi once they were out "backpacking" and she had no choice but to go along with him. Will be interesting to see what she says when she is alone, if she hasn't developed Stockholm Syndrome.

mothertruck3r · 14/10/2017 16:36

This is his Wikipedia profile; en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sherurcij

His interests seem to be Islamists and Nazis, what a surprise! Wink

JonSnowsWife · 14/10/2017 16:47

YNBU. Very odd indeed. Who in their right mind takes their wife and children to a dangerous place like that? I mean understandable if the trouble started after you went but the world and his dog knew what the situation was by that time.

Did you see the other news too? Apparently nearly 100 IS fighters have repented and are being rescued from Raqqa. (I think that's what the story is but it was that bizarre I'm not sure I was hearing it properly!).

I'm very Hmm about both these stories.

JustWanna · 14/10/2017 16:57

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ScrabbleFiend · 14/10/2017 17:03

She looks really uncomfortable with him, almost scared.

Yes, she looks terrified (of him?). He looks wild eyed angry. No look of relief from either of them.

JustWanna · 14/10/2017 17:14

What is she saying at the end of the video when she refers to her father and that "I have become more of an xyz than and Arier"(?) I can't actually make out the words.

TakeMe2Insanity · 14/10/2017 17:17

If you look on twitter theres a video released by a Pakistani journalist @omar_quarashi with statement from Boyle. His poor wife looks beyond shell shocked (clearly has been through a harrowing ordeal) and he just looks far too ready to talk.

For those who wonder why they had children, I presume so their captors would leave her alone. Other ideas could be that her periods stopped and she wouldn't have realised she was pregnant or even could get pregnant. There are plenty of testimonies from people in various war scenarios saying thats how they got comfort not necessarily to procreate.

whyhastherumgone · 14/10/2017 18:12

Have been following this, and have so many questions.
The mention of the opportunity to try and send a care package in these essays baffles me a little - I don't understand how you could send a care package to kidnapped hostages and expect the kidnappers to kindly pass it over?! Or maybe I'm being a bit dim.

www.thestar.com/news/insight/2017/06/03/sisters-of-kidnapped-canadian-joshua-boyle-describe-being-hostage-to-helplessness.html

Kpo58 · 14/10/2017 18:26

I find that the couple were now hoping "to build a secure sanctuary for our three surviving children to call a home" odd too. Does that mean an isolated place to brainwash the children so that they cannot live within normal society?

I find it odd that the Taliban didn't just take all the children to brainwash in their ways.

I'm also not surprised that the wife didn't speak if she has just spent the last 3 years being told not to speak around men and being raped by them.

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