Manager retiring. Inheriting duties

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My manager is retiring. It looks like I will inherit most of his duties with some others being outsourced within the business.

When I started to do some of these duties 2 years ago I was given a small payrise for the increase in duty. I will now be doing these things with an increase in responsibility, plus more, alone, no supervision. Financial reports etc.

My manager has said t's up to me if I wish to take these on or not. My GM has said that X and Y will go to A and B and I will inherit the rest. No question of whether I am happy to accept this.

WIBU to expect some kind of remuneration for the increase in duty and responsibility? And if IANBU, would you ask or just see what pans out?

I mean this kindly op because I wouldn't want you to be screwed over, but you need to grow some balls and behave as a man in this situation. Know that they are probably asking you to take on these duties because they feel you are capable but also that you are a meek woman who won't rock the boat and expect to be compensated fairly.

I'd approach it quite openly with your GM as he redistributes the workload and duties, ask how he will be redistributing financial recompense. Ask if your job title will be changed, discuss that you believe certain duties to exceed your rank/title and similar roles with those duties command X salary. Keep it factual, don't try to fill gaps and silences with waffle and leave the ball in his court. Ask him if he would fulfill his managers duty for no increased package.

And don't accept a derisory first offer.

RunRabbitRunRabbit Thank you

I dont even have a clue what my salary is It has changed over the years due to % increases we have all received. I am now in a qwuartely commission scheme (Is that included in salary? I pay tax and NI on it) I assume I just take my monthly "usual" salary and this, multiplied up is my salary?

I had a boss like this. His way was the only way, but if you put things to him, he would appear non committal, then come back sometimes weeks later and revisit the proposal, being more open to it.

You could quote his favourite phrase to him as you hand him your job description for negotiation

Write down what you want to discuss, and what you preferred outcome is.

Take your notes in when you discuss. Then you can refer back and make sure you cover everything and don't get sidetracked.

StayAChild Yes, he is very much like that. Plant a seed. he'll say no. Then weeks later come back and say it's a great idea.

Look at it this way....

Let's say your manager is earning £60k and you're earning £20k. You take on 1/3 of his role so technically you should be compensated 1/3 of your managers salary giving you a pay bump of £20k so you're now on £40k.

In real life this rarely happens.
But this is how men look at it and they negotiate on these terms.

Take a deep breath, put on your big girl pants.

Write down all that you want to say.
Set up a meeting with your GM.
Have the conversation.
Do not mention that you've got loads of capacity or there's no incentive to give you a pay increase.
Be cheeky and ask for a pay bump of 1/3rd of your salary.
He will either say, yes, no, make you a lower offer.

Good luck

That's a good idea silverspot, it's good to know before you go in what would be your ideal is and what your bottom line would be for which anything less than that offer would leave you Angry/disappointed to be carrying out the role.

When you make statements be clear and direct, don't leave ambiguity or doubt in your tone as a stronger character will seize upon that, that you aren't sure of yourself.

Have you got your p60 from your previous years? You really should understand your salary before you enter negotiations.

Who would be providing training for the new role? Do you already understand what the role is?

Ooops cross post with previous posters. We're all rooting for you to ask for more £££.

If he says no, you can also say no. Like if he says you would be getting great stuff for your CV, great experience, they think you are brilliant, they'd love to pay more but they are skinny, there is no money.

I would say something like "Oh that's a shame. I really do feel ready for a step up but I can't possibly accept such a big increase in responsibility without a package to match it. I would feel like I was being taken advantage of, which I know is not your intention. You will have to pay a new person about X, won't you? Do you need some time to go over the numbers and get back to me?"

See how the last bit gives them a face saving route out? In my experience, alpha males hate "losing" to women. Sad but true. To be fair, they hate losing to anyone. So, you give them a route to go away (not feeling chased) and "find" new information that changes their position.

Ok. Cards on the table... If i can? stop sounding weedy you dick

I work 38 hours. My work is mainly ad hoc. I was employed as a Sales Administrator in 2012 on 15k with an increase to 16k after probation. We have had annual increases in the mean time. I had my son Aug 14 and on coming back from maternity in Jan 15, I was given extra duties of creating invoices, preparing some financials but ultimately, it all stopped with my manager. I was given a 5% payrise for this uptake in responsibility.

My basic salary gives me just shy of 18k at present and with the quarterly bonuses, it comes in at around 18200 iirc.

I am married with a 3 year old. Own our own home. Mortgage almost paid off. I have a 2004 reg car. Husband has small finance on his newer 14 plate family car. We don't owe anyone anything.

In summary my current role comprises of (it looks so small written down)

Current duties:
Answering/making calls
Dealing with new enquiries
Issuing quotes
Processing orders and associated paperwork (Contracts etc)
Processing Acceptance notes into invoices (checked by manager before finalised)
Increasing site charges (checked by manager before finalised)
Monthly support fee increase notification
Assisting support team where needed
Preparing monthly productivity reports (checked by manager before finalised)

I envisage I will be continuing the roles above without managerial checking. The buck will stop with me. Yes I believe some reports will be re-written to make things easier (and more modern) but if they're wrong, it's down to me.

Monthly renewal billing will be down to me. I don't do this at present. Again, a report will likely be written to make this simpler.

Stock ordering for company (kitchen consumables etc) I dont do this

Chasing up overdue monies with our accounts team. I dont do this.

Weekly accounts reporting to my GM, MD and FD. I dont do this

Dealing with cancelled contracts. I dont do this

Potentially administering the staff bonus scheme. I dont do this.

Month end accounts. I dont do this.

S... what would you aim for?

Look up job sites imagining you were applying for a job with that list of responsibilities. See what salaries they are offering.

The Glassdoor website is handy for salary comparisons.

Your personal situation, maternity leave, cars, husband, children, mortgage are totally irrelevant. You could have won the lottery last week or lost it all on gambling websites, it would make no difference to what you are rightfully paid for the work. Leave all that stuff out of the negotiations. Except maybe to say "I have a responsibility to my family to not work for less than my market rate."

How much was the retiring manager paid do you think?

Is the retiring one approachable? Could you ask him for advice on the negotiation and what you are worth, where your career might go etc?

Us late middle aged people love giving advice to youngsters. He might talk and talk.

I would imagine 60k. Although I don't know. He's been with the business 30 years and retiring on a final salary pension.

RunRabbitRunRabbit he's been very badly burnt by the company in the last year which has made his mind up to go. He's over retirement age and had no plans to retire until recently. He has already said he can't advise me what to do (in a personal capacity) and I would imagine he'd love to see me tell them to get stuffed. So perhaps not the best person to ask advice from

I dont see all those financial bits being part of a sales admin role... what role would they come under?

So are you going to be expected to produce month end accounts etc? That would push you into a management accountant role, and I would definitely expect to be maybe doubling your salary (? I think) if you're supposed to take that lot on... maybe a bit less as you're not qualified but still

Not sure you'd call it that. I collate the figures, sales, invoices, outstanding and put into a report which would go to my boss for comment then to our MD..and further up?

OP, they need you more than you need them. Go in with that attitude. Be as unemotional as a man. Ask nicely. Don't over explain or fill in gaps. Do your market research, be clear about what you are asking for. Take the attitude that you have put your terms on the table and they now need to consider it. Not right away, but take it away to consider. You won't win on the spot, your boss is not that sort of person anyway.

On pay, ask for a little more that you actually want/feel you deserve, and expect to be negotiated down. That way, both parties feel they got something out of the pay negotiation.

It is true an organisation will respect you more if you ask for your worth. People want to feel they have a winner in their stable. Go for it!

If I were you, I'd probably ask interview with other employers first to get a better sense of the market and if possible, a job offer. But what is more important in this case is to strike whilst the iron is hot before your manager retires, whilst your bargaining power is strongest.

Financial adminstrator role?

Maybe see what they want you to do, suggest that you will work on this basis for a couple of months, and if it's working out for both you and your employer, say that you will expect an increase in salary commensurate with the addition work. And agree what you jointly think that would be worth - you don't want them to say here's an additional £500 after the 'probation' period.

glassdoor says office adminstrators are on average on around 20k. But the figures vary wildy and don't appear to have the financial duties.

I suppose it varies where in the country you are, and what the job market is like in your area.

You've had some great advice.

Don't let them squash you.

Hate to say it, but. Be a MAN.

GAH!

Will update when things have moved forward. Thanks all for the awesome advice.

You wouldn't be a office administrator any more you would be in a role with financial in the title or accounts.