Manager retiring. Inheriting duties

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My manager is retiring. It looks like I will inherit most of his duties with some others being outsourced within the business.

When I started to do some of these duties 2 years ago I was given a small payrise for the increase in duty. I will now be doing these things with an increase in responsibility, plus more, alone, no supervision. Financial reports etc.

My manager has said t's up to me if I wish to take these on or not. My GM has said that X and Y will go to A and B and I will inherit the rest. No question of whether I am happy to accept this.

WIBU to expect some kind of remuneration for the increase in duty and responsibility? And if IANBU, would you ask or just see what pans out?

Have you researched what other jobs are around that are for similar job spec to the one you will be taking on? That would be an easy indicator of salary for the role. If you literally have no idea then go in there with the frame of mind it's a negotiation and you want to get something. If you want 5k more and different hours ask for 15k more and assume you will be turned down and then ask for say 12k then 10k with different hours etc. So work around to whatever you could live with. Or start by asking to work from home 2 days a week then end up with different hours (only do that if that would suit just in case they say yes obvioisly). Basically go for the biggest best most ideal situation you could hope for and make it clear you're there to negotiate a rise but have a plan for the minimum you'll take.

I feel so scared of asking for anything. Like I should be grateful for what I have. I have a steady job in a good place.

But then right now I have a minimum responsibility which will increase with the duties.

I feel sick thinking about it.

I left a decent job, high paid, fast pace due to stress and responsibility. It was making me ill.

I would make a list of the duties you already do, and have a think about how much spare time you have. You could then say to the GM/HR, you can include X,Y and Z as part of your duties now, but if they need you to do A,B and C you'd need to be compensated for the extra workload.

Please read this book it's brilliant : why women don't ask.

an interesting study was quoted where equally qualified men, asked for a higher salary 8 times more frequently than women
Men assumed it was a starting point for negotiation, women assumed it was written in stone

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Also, male managers used to men requesting this, assumed that women employees were happy with their lot As THEY HADNT ASKEd...

Year on year, esp in public service where people used to get a percentage increase meant that women were differentially impacted.... By the time they got to 40.. Massive disparity..

BadPolicy Good way to put it. Thank you.

If given a list of duties today, I assume I can take them away and think about them before saying I accept?

I've asked several times in the last week or so about my new duties to be told that they will be discussed when finalised, so I have done as much as I have been able to.

It sounds as if they're hoping you'll let it slide. If your manager has left, they must have finalised who does what; if they haven't, maybe it would make sense to sit down with you to deal with the last bits and pieces. Either way, ask for a meeting to happen this week without fail so that you can iron everything out.

Ceto He leaves tomorrow. I think we are sitting down today.

My current list of duties looks tiny. It really does fill my day more than it looks!

My manager is pretty much handing a document over with what he does etc to my GM and my GM is then carving out who does what. My manager has himself said he suspects I will end up with the majority and also said it's up to me whether I want to accept that responsibility or not, and if so, additional remuneration too which he has said is likely not to happen on the face of things.

Try these articles for tips.

www.npr.org/2011/02/14/133599768/ask-for-a-raise-most-women-hesitate

leanin.org/education/negotiation/

You could also think about how you'd Luke to do the new job? Are there any things your manager did which you could imagine improving, or changing systems to make them better, that sort of thing? Then your conversation could be "I'm really looking forward to the new responsibilities and I've got a few plans for how I could help the business, in my new role". you control the conversation and make it clear it's a new role for you and beneficial to them.

then it's easier to say "I'd be looking to increase my salary a bit in line with the new role". The way you are talking now sounds like you feel guilty - you've got some time, you feel guilty that you're not busier, so you are likely to think of the new tasks as "new tasks" and suck them up. No. It's a new role with new responsibilities.
"I've been really hoping for this opportunity to advance, I have been somewhat under-utilised and I know I can add more value IN THIS NEW ROLE" blah blah.

RunRabbitRunRabbit Read the article, can't view the video. Very interesting thoughts about the value you bring to the table.

Scroll down past the video there are other relevant links that are not videos.

OP, many years ago I took on a few extra responsibilities. There was a recruitment freeze on in the company at the time, so I just got on with it and felt grateful to have a job.

At my next appraisal, I mentioned to my manager that I had felt a tiny bit hurt that I’d not been offered extra pay. He replied that I shouldn’t be emotional about pay. A man wouldn’t have been. I should have asked, and backed up my request with evidence that a raise was justified. He essentially told me that I should have taken responsibility for asking for a raise, and that he’d have respected me more for asking at the time rather than complaining later.

I’ve never forgotten that lesson. I am offering a service at work, and my employer should pay me a fair wage for what I deliver. It’s up to me to make sure that happens.

Honestly, if you don't ask you won't get. Could you write an informal job description for your current post, bullet pointing all that you do now, then at least you have a printed framework for negotiation of further duties.

No need to get yourself stressed about it. I'm sure your employer is well aware of your capabilities and efficiency. They'll be hoping you'll just suck up the extra work. It isn't just a case of extra duties though, it involves managerial duties, for which you need remuneration. They'll think more of you for getting things sorted and will think twice before dumping extra work on you in the future. I would forget about the condensed hours for now. That's another issue.

Hidingalion Brilliant.

Yes, my current manager has been in his role for 30 years and some of the procedures could do with changing/updating etc.

I think for me, one of the biggest things is I will be responsible for financial reports/transactions that I have done on a minimal scale with my manager pretty much doing 99% of this. That scares me.

I think you should ask for time to think about it, once they have specified what extra duties they want you to take on. but I would ask also what payrise you are going to get, if they are asking you to do more. Then you will have a chance to research typical salaries for similar roles, once they have specified what they want you to take on, and you will be able to argue your case if they are offering you significantly less than the going rate. If you want reduced hours, you should still ask for in increase in hourly salary if you are being asked to take on more responsibility.

Gazelda Thats really shit. But a lesson for others I suppose. No point in sucking it up then complaining later.

My GM is a nice guy but he just... intimidates me. He's so self assured. I suggest something and he goes No we'll do X and I just feel like I've shivelled and died.

The trouble with asking for reduced hours when they are increasing your workload is expressing it in a way that means you will work harder and more efficiently. Otherwise it could come across as 'I'm barely filling my days as it is and there's still not enough work for me to do two peoples jobs full time.

KungFuEric fair point. Hadn't thought of it that way.

I feel a little bit shit upon really. Outgoing manager doesnt care what will happen as he;ll be gone. GM doesn't care as I assume he'll dump it all on me. I want clear defined outlines of my new duties. Not wishy washy bollocks.

abcdefg1234 Take your lead from your GM. He Is self assured and you still see him as a nice guy. He would appreciate the same from his employees I'm sure. You are important to him/the company so don't undervalue yourself.

StayAChild He is. But he also doesn't like anyone to go against him. It's his way or no way. His favourite phrase is to act now and seek forgiveness later....

HR lady has left. So that's that hope dashed....

There are good tips here: mobile.nytimes.com/2010/05/15/your-money/15money.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0&referer=

They suggest practising at home, rehearsing in the mirror out loud.

For me, the out loud (not in your head) is important. It can feel unnatural to hear yourself talking someone round.

I do this myself but not in the mirror, I find that weird. I negotiate with a cute panda teddy of DDs who is sometimes wearing my glasses and a tie, which isn't weird at all of course.

Remember they are making you an offer and you are deciding whether to accept. They don't want to hire a replacement manager because that would be £££. They want you to agree to take on the work to save the company from having to hire a new manager. You will consider doing them this huge favour to save them loads of money.

Obviously you will be needing a new job title to reflect your new more responsible role (look up jobsites to see what job titles will look best on your CV).

You are glad they have recognised that you are ready for a step up, you were beginning to wonder if you would have to look elsewhere to advance your career.

You understand they are short of money. Recruiting a replacement manager will cost them £x. You have worked out that they want you to take on 60% of his responsibilities so that would be £y (60% of bosses salary as you guess it). However, because you are less experienced than old boss you would not be offended if they wanted to offer less, maybe £z.

Your position has to be that you are doing them a favour. You could refuse if they are CF. You are good and have experience, so you could get another better job if you wanted, then they'd have to pay more for your replacement too.

You are in a strong position.

Follow the boss's advice. Go in hard and seek forgiveness later.