To think that Jacob Rees - Mogg is an effing hypocrite

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It has been in the papers today that Somerset Capital Management an investment company owned by Jacob Rees - Mogg has a large investment in a company called Kalbe Farme who manufacture pills used in abortions
The Somerset MP is against abortion even in rape cases, but profits from the sale of pills widely used in illegal abortions in Indonesia
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No, I know some lovely Catholics. They're either far more tolerant or less hypocritical than this guy, or they have no aspirations to run the country which would make his personal beliefs highly problematic.

Where you're for or against the death penalty Topic, my point referred to your comment about disinvesting in US companies. We have a lot of investments and although as you say there may be a dubious and immoral business that we don't know about, any business we do know about that is clearly at odds with our morals would lead us to move our money. The fact that the drug is not specifically for abortion is irrelevant on a moral level - the drug is definitely commonly used for abortion. When he knows that, how can he, who believes in it so profoundly and solidly that he regretfully asks raped women to continue with their resulting pregnancy, get rid of that bad smell? Answer: with money.

Lurking

"But he'd like us to run our country in accordance with his religious beliefs ?"

That's pretty much the opposite of what he said when recently ambushed in an interview. However, there's a lot to be said for open politicians. If means you vote for them or not, according to your alignment of opinions as opposed to hearing empty platitudes from a moron without the courage of their convictions.

everymummy

Would it be facetious to suggest that you have made a point of not digging too deeply into where your investments are spread?

As I've said, whilst I disagree with most of what R-M says, I don't think this 'revelation' is amunition.

Don't you think that the following exonerates him?

Mr Rees Mogg does not have any of his own personal money invested in the fund, and has not personally managed investments since he became an MP in 2010.

I do. If you don't, why not?

Lurking

"But he'd like us to run our country in accordance with his religious beliefs ?"

It was a question.

That's pretty much the opposite of what he said when recently ambushed in an interview.

One idly wonders what the point of having religious views is, if you don't try and run the country by them ?

I don't think any of that exonerates him, topic, because the fact remains that he chooses to continue to be associated with this investment fund. No-one forces him to do so and, as he acknowledges, he does personally benefit from what goes on albeit in a roundabout way.

LurkingHusband

I guess that there's always a continuum isn't there?

The Pope, Imams etc at one end, me, Dawkins and Hitchens at the other (in ideas, not intelligence) and people pick where they'd like to be. As well as where you place your ideology, there's a side-continium as to if you want to 'save' people and have them live by your creed, accept others for who they are or somewhere inbetween.

You may accept homosexuality (the Bible's clearly pretty anti-gay) but be more 'modern' with regards to the stoning of adulterers or rape victims.

As R-M said, he accepts gay people because they aren't harming anyone else whereas he sees it as his Christian duty to protect unborn babies who need an advocate.

I have no idea if he wants the country run as a strict Catholic one (pretty moot, considering) or where he lies on various issues.

Anyway, I'd rather know someone's ideas so I can avoid supporting them than have someone who wants my vote and will spout platitudes and empty promises to win it.

Ceto

I think it does exonerate him. I think he's far enough removed to be 'okay'. As I said (to you or another), it's fairly certain that I could find some dirt in whichever investment scheme you have) with a fairly short space of time. If I did, would you forfeit any financial gain and withdraw your investment tomorrow? FTSE tracker with dubious companies owned by those in the 100?

I read about this last night and was apoplectic that anyone who considers themselves a true Catholic could make money from such an investment. It goes against every "moral" belief he pretends to have.

It simply proves that for some money trumps everything; honesty, morals and religion aren't as important to Rees-Mogg as cold, hard cash. Hardly surprising when he's such an utter cunt, but I'm pleased in a way that he's universally hated. My Mum worked with him years ago (she is the nicest person on earth, never says an unkind word against anyone) and even she admitted he was an absolute idiot.

As R-M said, he accepts gay people because they aren't harming anyone else whereas he sees it as his Christian duty to protect unborn babies who need an advocate.

The same unborn babies terminated by the medication made by a company he remains personally associated with? Hardly moral, hardly respectable.

As for honesty, being honest about something doesn't redeem a person. He's being honest about being a hypocrite. Still not someone worth voting for because hypocrites look after themselves before others.

As R-M said, he accepts gay people because they aren't harming anyone else whereas he sees it as his Christian duty to protect unborn babies who need an advocate.

I think the poor and less able also need an advocate . JRM appears to have decided it's either/or rather than both together .

You may accept homosexuality (the Bible's clearly pretty anti-gay)

Probably best not mention the "B" word. The Bible says a lot of things. Mainly contradictory. What about the bit "treat thy neighbour as thyself" for a start ?

If we are going to insist the Bible is the fount of all, I want my slaves back. Or are we cherry picking now ?

Difficult one. Anyone with a pension (company/private) probably invests in dubious things such as arms which are sold to the middle east, oil which is bad for the planet, etc. That's most of us unless you have chosen the funds yourself. Most people don't check these things so are blissfully unaware. If you pick a so called 'ethical fund' there's no reason why it would avoid medical treatments that might be mis-used for abortions. Ethical wouldn't mean anti-abortion anyway would it?

I don't mind him being anti abortion. I do mind his other right wing and un-christian views.

One idly wonders what the point of having religious views is, if you don't try and run the country by them ?

Because I can have a view that disagrees with mainstream society yet not believe that it should be the law of the land because I have another, related view around the capacity of people to follow the law and the moral harm caused to a society by implementing a law that would then not be followed.

It doesn't mean I don't hold to a view and hold it seriously; it just means I don't think others should be forced to comply with my views. That doesn't mean that I don't have views that I think the country should be run by either; I believe it's generally referred to as a policy platform.

You may accept homosexuality (the Bible's clearly pretty anti-gay)

Not true. There are 3 references and all of them refer to either to people who are already in relationships with a woman or to rape. It doesn't comment on faithful, consensual gay relationships at all. However there are loads of things in the Bible about sharing with the poor, rich people not being able to go to heaven etc - all of which tend to get glossed over - because it's easier to judge others than to help them.

It doesn't mean I don't hold to a view and hold it seriously; it just means I don't think others should be forced to comply with my views

Even if their mortal soul is in danger ?

Remember, we burned witches to save their souls. We didn't want to. We had to.

Do any of you know what fund managers are and do? Doesn't look like it.

Comment is boring clickbait. Somerset is an employee-owned partnership so it is quite wrong to describe R-M as its owner. The firm employs dozens of people including 18 fund managers so I doubt very much whether he had any personal involvement in choosing Kalbe Farma as an investment for the firm's clients. Even the OP's link to the Independent (who reads that anymore?) says '...his investment firm profits from pills used in abortions', not that R-M profits personally, though it's actually Somerset's clients who profit.

But don't let inconvenient things like facts get in the way of your Two Minutes Hate.

Anyway, I'd rather know someone's ideas so I can avoid supporting them than have someone who wants my vote and will spout platitudes and empty promises to win it.
Reminds me of when Corbyn was standing for Labour leader. Several MPs went to him for reassurance that he supported the EU. Which he was happy to give. Come the Referendum campaign his support had vanished. That's the kind of politician we need more of.

Do any of you know what fund managers are and do? Doesn't look like it.

I know it's entirely possible to make ethical choices when investing, and that any decent (I only worked on one suite) fund manager software allows any number of criteria to be imposed on investment decisions.

Even if their mortal soul is in danger ?

Their mortal soul won't be saved without full and free consent. And if you look into witch burnings I think you'll find they were often associated with women who had accused men of rape (and other crimes- read about it at a castle near Preston). So not really about saving their mortal souls.

Double winner this thread Tory bashing AND religious bashing too.

Of course no one has bothered to read about the drug - its licenced use is for stomach ulcers, not abortions.

Hands up, who is wringing their hands in horror that their private pension funds are being invested in pharmaceuticals; bcause that (and weapons) are where most investments go.

This thread is like saying paracetamol is a suicide drug.

One idly wonders what the point of having religious views is, if you don't try and run the country by them ?

You can have many personal views without ramming them down others throats, and the left wing would do well to remember this.

Chrisitainity bashing is very vogue. I dont see anyone going up to Sadiq Khan and asking his views on sharia or stoning or multiple wives etc etc. Christianity is simply fair game. As is 'class'. People cannot do a single thing about where they are born or who they are born to or what they are born into.

“This is not something I would wish to invest in personally but you have a duty as an investment manager not to impose constraints on investors.”

Then let's hope he takes an equally relaxed attitude to - and never tries to impose constraints on - those choosing abortion

He's one of the most hypocritical pricks ever. An awful person.

WhooooAmI24601

Your mother is abhorrent.

A cretin is a person who is deformed and mentally handicapped because of congenital thyroid deficiency. and not even used by the medical profession anymore because of its offensive connotations.

I suggest you rethink her being the "nicest person on Earth"!

How many references do you need when the Bible is Verbum Domini (The word of the Lord)? Surely one will do?

Your other assertions are entirely false.*

Puzzledandpissedoff

There are already laws imposed on those choosing abortion. 24 weeks. How do you feel about those constraints or should they be removed?

*First degree was Philosophy and Theology

Topic it doesn't exonerate him - it just shows that he realises early enough, probably because he knew it was wrong doing it in the first place, and washed his hands when it became possible his facade could be dented ..... I think it shows he's willing to be sly on the side, but as he's now an MP and if anyone can dig into his work etc and find things to show he's actually a bit dirty then make a big show of saying 'well as if xyz I had nothing to do with this' ..... but before it was ok?!
I think his morals are rather questionable !