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To think the police are useless?

353 replies

RainbowsAndCrystals · 01/10/2017 22:43

In my 20s I've been around many people that have had bad experiences with them and say how useless they are.

Something happened to me a month ago and it was caught on cctv.

Firstly the police said I had to get the evidence myself. So I had to ask around for cctv ... very difficult when people don't want to be involved and you're someone with zero authority.

Now a month later and they still haven't bothered to look at the footage.

It's so disheartening and almost like they have sided with the criminals.

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sheldonesque · 02/10/2017 00:54

And to the police who came to tell my mum her dad had died suddenly?

Thank you. She has never forgotten how kind and sympathetic you were. And apparently they didn't bat an eye when our fat lump of a dog jumped up on the sofa where they were sat and proceeded to help herself to a cuddle.

stillvicarinatutu · 02/10/2017 00:57

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Want2bSupermum · 02/10/2017 00:59

To give you an idea of how much it costs.... we pay $23k a year for our home in property taxes. That is average for our town. It covers the cost of police, education (partially as they get lots of grants too) and services like trash/recycling, parks etc. our trash is collected three nights a week and our recycling twice a week. Yes it's a big bill but you don't need to pay for private school and no joke the police will come to your home to install car seats. We also donate to the police. They do an absolutely amazing job here.

stillvicarinatutu · 02/10/2017 01:03

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sheldonesque · 02/10/2017 01:04

Thank you vicar

Flowers for you and your colleagues. Especially the ones with hairy uniforms...

Getout21 · 02/10/2017 01:07

still Can I ask why you do the job?

Katie2017 · 02/10/2017 01:12

I've had very bad experiences with the police in general. They took our computer during a house raid and didn't return it for months claiming they'd "lost it" until they soon found it when we threatened to sue them (never mind about criminals stealing your things, the police will do that too!) Want to talk about lack of resources? Well 8 officers they spent 3 HOURS searching our house and we had no idea what was going on (apparently the guy we let use one of our outhouses was suspicious-never found out if he was or not, he certainly didn't go to prison for anything) we had nothing to do with whatever it was anyhow.
My father was DYING of cancer at the time and despite whatever they were searching for, they spent most of the time interrogating us about the fact he still had a (legal) gun licence and basically we had to defend him-what were we supposed to say "sorry dad, since you're dying and all don't you think you should do something about your gun licence?" I was crying when they left. They even searched the room my dad lay dying in (luckily he was too out of it to know they were there) My dad died the very next day. His death will forever be tied up with that useless police raid and their comments and I will hate them until the day I die for taking time away we should've been spending with him and making the worst days of our life even worse. They never found a thing the whole raid was a waste of time, massively upsetting, humiliating (I was frisked outside my bedroom door and I'd just woke up and had no clue what was going on, made to feel like a criminal, all our privacy violated)

I have no doubt if they did find anything they'd have arrested one of us, even maybe my dad, I can't even bear to think about it. Complete and utter lack of sensitivity or empathy.

Worse still is this idea that the police have to have strong evidence to get a warrant for a search-not true at all from my experience, but yet the public thinks that, and god knows what our neighbours think of us being surrounded by cop cars.

The cherry on the top? When WE actually needed THEM because a mentally unstable person was threatening our lives and stalking round our house in the middle of the night, they spent 10 minutes looking for him (we are surrounded by fields and it was too cold and dark for them to bother looking properly) and then left saying call us if he comes back! Ok, might be dead by then but thanks! See where their priorities lie eh? Raiding an elderly couples house for hours on end for nothing at all or trying to stop a dangerous unstable person from harming us or themselves in the middle of the night-which one was more important? I don't want to hate them, I never did anything wrong but they came to our house and treated us the way they did and I will never forgive them for that.

FlowerPot1234 · 02/10/2017 01:15

In my personal dealings with the police, on every occasion except one, they have been arrogant, ignorant, in one case corrupt/were lying and were enjoying the power, incompetent, lazy and lacking all sense of responsibility, determination and respect.

gluteustothemaximus · 02/10/2017 01:20

My DH got beaten up many years ago, and honestly, nothing was done. We get pulled over for random checks and that’s annoying.

We had a fire next door and it was arson, but the police didn’t want to know.

BUT. We know a police officer. And his stories of attending road traffic accidents, women beaten half to death from the numerous DV cases, and all the other horror stories he has told us, I think they are outstanding. Hard working. Brave. Underpaid. And I couldn’t do it.

They are no doubt stuck with red tape, paperwork, budget cuts, and all other such bullshit.

SprinklesandIcecream · 02/10/2017 01:23

To all the Police officers on this thread, I'd like to say a massive thank you to all of you. Most of you work incredibly hard despite the fact that we have faced years of cuts and the Tories expect the Police budget to be cut by more than billion pounds by 2020!

Every encounter I have had with police has been reassuring for me and while the system might be broken or at the brink of it, I know a large majority of our Police officers work beyond what anyone else of us would. So I just wanted to say a massive thank you. Flowers

Just look at interview given by the police officers who attacked the terrorists on Westminster Bridge a few months back. It really highlights their determination when it actually matters.

I've had a hate crime taken quite seriously by my local police force much to my own surprise and the only other encounter I have had personally was with police officers, who despite my insistence that I could manage alone (but I could do with help) moving my pram down a few steps went out of their way to help me while on a job. It was a small gesture and I will never forget their kindness and sweet nature when I'm quite aware how busy they are.

gluteustothemaximus · 02/10/2017 01:24

One more thing. I have learnt over the years, that just because you are in the caring/serving profession...doesn’t mean you actually care.

Narcissists/sociopaths are everywhere. And they can be midwives, doctors, policemen etc.

So those that have come across unsympathetic power tripping ones, then you probably have.

You can’t tarnish everyone with the same brush, but yes, there will be useless officers and great ones, as with every group of people.

MamaMotherMummy · 02/10/2017 01:24

ParkheadParadise no worries at all, I probably didn't explain very well in my pp.

Flowers and unmumsnetty hugs

stillvicarinatutu · 02/10/2017 01:27

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MistressDeeCee · 02/10/2017 01:27

I used a cashpoint by Old Street station. Machine kept my card and dawned on me a scam was going on. In a flash a guy came over put his hand on keypad said "machine isn't working" that was it..I kicked off, didnt even think about my safety. A guy came along and dragged him away as I was making such a (loud) fuss. Probably his mate. Anyway police came round to mine took a statement confirmed later there was CCTV at that spot but they very likely wouldn't have time to look

Yes we know the police are stretched to the limit. No doubt strangled by paperwork. But the whole thing is disheartening and who cares really..a lot of people will keep voting in the government that cuts police services the most. Perhaps they arent victims so they don't care. They're busy is supposed to elicit an "Ok then" as if this is perfectly acceptable. Apathy is the sister of evil n all that...

I suggest if anyone gets attacked etc - if you can do so without getting run over hey, why not run into a bus lane? Seem to be numerous cameras pinpointed there to record a car entering lane and no doubt whether driver is scratching his ass too

MistressDeeCee · 02/10/2017 01:32

stillvicarinatutu

Sadly Im not surprised by your tale. Hope you stay safe out there. A mate used to work the door at a club in London and told me for the area AND the areas bordering it there were only 19 officers on duty on a Saturday night. 19!! It beggars belief. How are you supposed to cover incidents? But again - the cuts have worsened over the years and Im convinced many are either uncaring, or numb to it all. They worry about who's moving in next door instead of the fact that police are endangered and so are we. I truly have not seen an officer on foot for around 20 years. Likely more. Ditto police on motorbikes. Police cars - rarely. I despair

WayUp · 02/10/2017 01:37

Every one of my dealing with the police have been good even when we had our house raided for drugs (thanks Dad Hmm ).

They were always polite and professional. I've a lot of respect for what they do. I find it weird thst people are so critical of the police but don't seem so bothered about all the criminals....

stillvicarinatutu · 02/10/2017 01:40

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squeekums · 02/10/2017 01:41

Depends on the cop i think

That said, i used to live a 2 minute car ride from a police station. Called them one night as there was some drunk guy losing his shit in my front yard, refused to leave
They didnt even bother rocking up. It was my dp who ended up chasing him off

The cop in our town allows his wife to speed, he does too, their car shouldnt be on the road its that defectable, there a numerous stories of him bailing up kids around aged 10 to 12 in the local shops for them reporting his son bullying them at school. Kids get carted to and from school bus stop in the cop car, smallest kid in front seat, no booster as is legally required. He is a joke of a cop

QueenAmongstMen · 02/10/2017 01:45

I sympathise!

I once, whilst driving, got driven into by another car and he then drove off. He forced my car to go up the verge and the force of his impact meant my car was written off. I thankfully managed to get his registration plate as he drove off and I gave it to the police when I reported it.

Weeks passed and I heard nothing so I contacted the police who said I would need to provide them with CCTV footage of the incident and then it was down to me to try and locate some. Unfortunately, after lots of digging around in my part I was told the area in which the incident happened wasn't covered by CCTV. I relayed this to the police who said as a result there wasn't much they could do. I felt so angry and told them they'd seen the damage to my car, they'd even taken photographs of it and I had even given them the registration plate of the car that hit me so how could they simply tell me they weren't going to do anything. The police officer then made all the right noises and said they'd be in touch.

Weeks and weeks passed again and I heard nothing. My cousin was a PCSO for the same police department so I asked him if he could find out what was happening and councidentally an officer called me about two days later to tell me the results of their investigation.

He told me they'd tracked down the driver via his registration plate and been to his house where he admitted to having hit me. The officer said it was an old gentleman and the excuse he'd given was that he'd just received some bad news and so wasn't really focused on what he was doing. I was then told by the officer that as the man hadn't been thinking rationally (according to the man himself) and the fact he wanted to send his apologies to be, they were just going to end the matter there so he had no punishment of any kind. It had taken many months to achieve this outcome.

I honestly couldn't believe it and it just makes you think why even bloody bother reporting anything?!

Rinoachicken · 02/10/2017 01:51

There seem to be such polar opposite experiences on this thread that I can only assume it varies hugely by area?

For myself, I’ve had various dealings with the police over the years. For myself when reporting a historic rape, when I’ve had mental health crisis, and more recently when I was victim
of domestic violence. They were without exception absolutely bloody amazing. Sensitive, caring, understanding, always there at the end of the phone when I had questions or just needed to be reassured.

I’ve also called them for more minor things (had a break in, suspected exDH who was on bail for DV, they came out within the hour and had forensics out to dust for prints within 48hrs), called to report violence in the street and a domestic disturbance - both times they called me back within the hour to tell me the outcome (ie that they had attended).

So from my experience over the last 15 years, in Surrey and Nottingham, I’d say they are doing a fantastic job under nearly impossible pressures.

MistressDeeCee · 02/10/2017 01:56

they came out within the hour and had forensics out to dust for prints within 48hrs)

I was Shock at this until I read a couple of lines down and it was as I thought - you don't live in London...

hatemyname · 02/10/2017 02:03

The thing is, outside of CENTRAL London the entire UK is understaffed in regards to policing. Even zone 3 and above in London, you’ll have a different response level...

If there’s a terror attack outside of London, the police response would be drastically different than the ones we have seen in recent times.

So you are and aren’t being unreasonable. I get that you feel stuck and that you’re not being helped, but the heavy police force cuts are public knowledge and your local police aren’t watching cat videos and having a coffee instead of helping you - they’re overstretched. They haven’t sided with the criminals.

Keepthebloodynoisedown · 02/10/2017 02:06

I think some police officers are useless, some are dangerous, some are amazing at their jobs, and some are average and doing what they need to get by. Just like nurses, postmen, teachers, or any other job you can think of.

I had an awful experience with the police as a young teenager, after I was raped. I was completely terrified of men at that point (about a week after), and was put in a room with three men and no women, interrogated for hours, and then told not to bother pursuing the case as no one would believe me. It really damaged my trust in the police, and showed me some of the awful attitudes that exist, but it doesn't mean the all police officers were awful, just that I got unlucky.

Rinoachicken · 02/10/2017 02:09

MistressDeeCee

Which is why I said at the beginning of my post that I think it must vary hugely by region.

plominoagain · 02/10/2017 02:49

I've just got home . I left home at 4.30 am this morning to go to early turn. I should have finished at 3pm . But due to one of the calls I went to - alone - I ended up a) injured ( again) and b) rolling around on the fucking pavement with a suspect who would cheerfully have throttled me given the chance . And then , having had to be seen by medics , I then had to go back to work , write my arrest notes , hand the job over to CID , but still go and do his home search and wait while he was interviewed , then wait around for 3 hours until the CPS made a charging decision . And then drive the two hours home . I'm due back in at 3pm . And I'm reading this in an effort to wind down .

Viewing CCTV isn't as easy as plugging a USB into any old computer, because most don't have the software You are required to comply with the DPA , and the ACPO guidelines concerned with dealing with CCTV . Which means you are required to make copies , which can only be done using specialist equipment . Which COSTS MONEY . So some of the specialist video suites have been shut down , or shared between forces . One of my colleagues who works for Cambridgeshire , has to book a space in the video suite at Welwyn Garden City for example . And you're sharing those suites with murder teams , burglary teams , sexual offences and domestic violence teams , missing person teams to name but a few . And those kind of enquiries often have a huge amount of CCTV to go through , so you can imagine how difficult it is to get a space at all .

Do you even realise that since Theresa May became Home Secretary in 2010 , that police officer numbers have dropped from 146,000 , to 122,000 ? That's like losing the ENTIRE amount of police officers that cover Thames Valley , Hertfordshire , Surrey , Kent , Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire , Sussex , Hampshire and Essex , Or like the whole of GMP . Or two thirds of the Met. And on top of that , that police staff numbers have dropped by about thirty percent ? So , the call handlers , witness officers , case administrators , scenes of crime officers , station officers , crime desk admin officers , all gone . But their tasks haven't . So they then have to be covered by officers taken from the front line .

THIS is what happens when budgets are cut to the bone , and the workforce is denigrated to the point that if you believed the media , you would believe that the police are public enemy number one . Officers leave . And they are not so much walking , as running away , to jobs with better money , where they aren't criticised by every armchair warrior , and where they have a much better chance of finishing their days work uninjured . I've got three years before I can retire , and I'm giving serious thought to whether I want to stay on those three years , or say Fuck it , and go and work for Network Rail.

And yet , I still get up , every day and go to work . I put my personal driving licence on the line and risk prosecution every time I turn on the blues . I am held to a higher standard of behaviour and scrutiny both on and off duty than any other profession. I also pay more into my pension than any other profession , yet will get castigated for having a relatively decent pension out of it . And I do it because even after twenty odd years of being spat at , abused , assaulted , shot at , twice , followed from the station after shift , even after all that , I STILL want to help those who really need it , those who you can see are relieved when we arrive , those to whom we might be able to make a difference , and sometimes , sometimes save a life . Or find their missing child , or talk someone off a bridge .

I'm no angel . I'm a card carrying cynic , doing the best she can , with what there is , which sadly sometimes , isn't enough .

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