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To think the police are useless?

353 replies

RainbowsAndCrystals · 01/10/2017 22:43

In my 20s I've been around many people that have had bad experiences with them and say how useless they are.

Something happened to me a month ago and it was caught on cctv.

Firstly the police said I had to get the evidence myself. So I had to ask around for cctv ... very difficult when people don't want to be involved and you're someone with zero authority.

Now a month later and they still haven't bothered to look at the footage.

It's so disheartening and almost like they have sided with the criminals.

OP posts:
Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 02/10/2017 07:53

getout

I never understand why that comes up

Masses of people didnt vote for the tories

Anyway

There are obviously some bad police officers out there but i do agree that cuts are the major problem...but if your only experience of the police has been bad obviously you are going to feel they are shit

And yes...if my experience of carers were bad then I probably would think they were shit..and accountants, soliciters, teachers etc

Jux · 02/10/2017 07:54

We as a nation, voted Tory. We knew that meant cuts - even more cuts - to public services. That's police, the fire service, the nhs, teachers, all those things we want to work well, and about which we complain when they're not up to snuff.

We did this.

Kazzyhoward · 02/10/2017 07:56

They were useless in the "golden" Blair/Brown years when they had money thrown at them. It's not about the money, or lack of it, they just don't give a toss about the types of crime that affect the average Joe Public. I was a victim of crime twice in the "noughties" and both times, the police couldn't be arsed to do anything despite there being evidence etc.

MujosMama · 02/10/2017 07:56

I'm so sorry to everyone here who's been a victim of crime and doesn't feel they were dealt with as well as they could have beenFlowers but I am also in the "the police do as well as they can" camp.

DP is CID in what was recently announced as the worst police force in the country. They don't have enough officers or money, people are leaving in droves as they've just had enough of being overworked and underpaid, which increases the strain on the remainder.

A standard shift is 10 hours and often stretches to 12, sometimes 15-16. He has 170 hours of leave which he'll likely lose next month as he keeps putting requests in to take it which are declined due to lack of staff. We haven't had a holiday in 2 years and he is working Christmas Day, Boxing Day, NYE and NYD this year, on our son's first Christmas.

Unfortunately he is becoming more and more resentful of the workload not being spread out more, he's the most experienced DC on shift (9 years) and looking at leaving in the near future because of the continued stress. The government seem to think that relying on the good will of public sector workers will keep the system going indefinitely, and won't change anything until something goes severely and horribly wrong Confused

Getout21 · 02/10/2017 08:07

But did we as nation includes those police officers, nhs workers, teachers.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 02/10/2017 08:09

Yep getout

And you would think those people wouldnt let this happen as they knew what the Consequences would be

LanaKanesLeftNippleTassle · 02/10/2017 08:09

Hillsborough
Orgreave
Ian Thomlinson
De Menzes

Perfectly innocent environmental groups infiltrated by undercover police (can still fund utterly pointless and frankly offensive undercover work in peaceful groups I notice!) who then form illegal relationships, lie to and have kids with activists, then bugger off with nary a slap on the wrist.

Practically any peaceful (yes really peaceful!) protest/demo I have ever been on has been exacerbated by the actions of the police.

Hundreds and hundreds of cases of police corruption, cover ups, and the worse one, hundreds of unavoidable deaths of innocent people.

And look at Catalonia yesterday......
It's 2017 and the police are being used to batter protesters at a poll, regardless of the legalities of said poll, over 800 injured by the actions of a whole police force is horrific.

Is it any wonder that some people have no faith in the police??

I understand, that local level policing is a bit different to some of those I mentioned, as evidnced by the local police in Catalonia yesterday trying to protect citizens from the national force.

And the cuts are no doubt biting deep.
And some coppers are in it for the rights reasons, and some do an excellent job.

But imo, the police at managerial level, are more intetrested in protecting wealth and harrassing some poor sod cos he happens to think that fracking is wrong, and stopping people from exercising their rights to free assembly and speech, than actually protecting the average Joe.

And I don't believe that the police force are now free of corruption, or that Hillsborough style cover ups won't happen again.

gamerwidow · 02/10/2017 08:10

We didn't do this the people who voted Tory or couldn't be bothered to get off their arse and vote did though.

Foniks · 02/10/2017 08:10

It's not because of cuts, I don't know why so many on this site loves pretending it is. There have been issues like this long before this gov. People like to pretend there is no corruption, no brutality, no rank closing, no police officers who don't really care, no lazy officers etc... they're all wonderful people who only have the communities safety at heart. This is dangerous imo, because not only are the general public shouted down when trying to point out failings, but officers who don't rank close are treated appallingly.

There are obviously some amazing officers, ones who will try their hardest to help that woman who's just been beaten up by her boyfriend, or catch the person who mugged an old lady, or who don't see race before evidence, whatever it is, but let's not pretend all of them have their hearts in the job and are in the job for the right reasons.

One station in particular in London for example was well known for being corrupt for many many years, other stations/forces would even "joke" about it. It was well known. It goes on and on for too long because people can't say anything about it without everybody jumping to their defence and acting like all police are amazing and you're an ungrateful twat for saying otherwise. What can be done though, if everybody ignores there is a problem and when they do acknowledge there is a problem "it's the government"

I know a poor older lady who ended up being arrested because the police were getting annoyed at her because she kept calling them trying to get her abusive husband out. They repeatedly told her they can't remove him from the house because he's old and he lives there too so it isn't fair. They were annoyed by her calls and didn't try to hide it. In the end, she was arrested. Released of course, with no charge. But it worked, because she knew to stop calling them. So she will now either choose homelessness or living the rest of her years out with a man who has abused her for longer than I've even been alive. Really heartbreaking. Even more heartbreaking that her story isn't that unique.

The country would go to pot without the police, we need them, and on the whole do an amazing job, I appreciate them. But let's not pretend there are no problems, and when we do acknowledge problems, don't just blame it on the government, even though these problems are far from a new thing. We are lucky to have the police we have in Britain in a way though. They might not be perfect, but they're a whole lot better than many other countries who claim to be fair. And let's face it, not many people would choose to try and take down a massive violent guy who you know probably has a knife or something on him or sit in a small room interviewing a murderer. Some have piss thrown at them in public. They do something most people couldn't do, but that doesn't mean they're all amazing and that there are no problems. They're just human like the rest of us, and that means there are good people and bad people amongst them. Pretending they're all good is dangerous and means problems won't be solved.

LanaKanesLeftNippleTassle · 02/10/2017 08:15

Can I ask something of the coppers/people who know coppers here??

If you/ they were ordered to do take part in action against peaceful people, like in Catalonia yesterday, what would you/they do??

Would you be one of the thugs who bowled into seated crowds and battered with them batons, who threw old ladies on the floor, who stole ballot boxes, all while dressed in commando gear and balaclavas??
After all.....they're just following orders.

Or would you be one of the brave locals who risked their jobs and lives to protect innocent citizens as they tried to vote??

Because honestly???

I think there are a lot of coppers who would practically relish the chance to smash a few heads old school style, you could see it yesterday.
Some of those police were enjoying hitting old ladies and peaceful citizens.

LanaKanesLeftNippleTassle · 02/10/2017 08:17

Hear hear Foniks!

LakieLady · 02/10/2017 08:18

I think they're like people in any other job: most of them try and do their best in difficult circumstances but some of them are lazy/useless/in it because they like bullying people.

I've had awful experiences when on demonstrations in my youth, and great kindness and compassion on other occasions (particularly thinking of the young PC who came to tell me my mother had died). The support they gave me when my ex got physical with me was first class (they excel at dealing with DV in my area).

The cuts have been dreadful though. When I was getting threatening messages from a mentally ill client, they didn't have the resources to do anything, and she ended up assaulting her former CPN. I can't remember the last time I saw a police officer on patrol, we only ever see PCSOs. I think it must be really shit being a police officer at the moment.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 02/10/2017 08:18

I dint think any posters have said its only down to cuts

lynmilne65 · 02/10/2017 08:21

I don’t bite and have greatest respect for most of
you

LakieLady · 02/10/2017 08:25

I've seen the amount of MH stuff the police end up dealing with and it's a piss take

A 3-day stay in police custody seems to be routine for people who are sectioned these days. And people who want to be admitted have to do something major to get picked up by the police so they can be sectioned.

It's a good example of how cuts in one area of public spending causes pressure in another. As is the current fly-on-the-wall documentary about the ambulance service. A significant number of calls are to people who need more social care, not an ambulance.

It's all going to shit because people aren't prepared to vote for a government that will increase public spending.

PurplePillowCase · 02/10/2017 08:25

the police officers I have come across have been very dedicated and competent.
they have been hampered by budget constraints and lack of other recources, weird (to me) guidances and delays in communications with supervisors.

tehmina23 · 02/10/2017 08:39

I've found the police very good on 2 occasions-

My sister had a very nasty car crash which was not her fault - they supported her at the scene when she was very shocked & hurt & drove her home after she was checked by paramedics. They provided cctv & insisted on taking the other driver to court. Unfortunately the case is still ongoing but they've been supportive all along.

I had a psychotic episode & smashed up my kitchen & had a knife- the police were called & one of them talked to me the whole time, very kind attitude, and called the crisis team & waited with me until they turned up.
I'd thought they were going to arrest me & was really scared but again they were very supportive.

I think the police are very underfunded & short staffed.

FlowerPot1234 · 02/10/2017 08:45

WayUp
I find it weird thst people are so critical of the police but don't seem so bothered about all the criminals....

Confused Who on earth said that? You think that for people who have been treated appallingly by the police are not bothered about criminals? Are you bonkers?

whattospenditon · 02/10/2017 08:46

Their failings are not all down to funding.

It's convenient to blame all the country's ills on the Tories. But, just like the NHS, there were as many issues with the police under Labour as there are now.

purits · 02/10/2017 08:46

Foniks Mon 02-Oct-17 08:10:27

excellent post.

tehmina23 · 02/10/2017 08:57

Also on one occasion the police (an individual policeman) weren't so good - when my 91 yr old nan had to be sectioned, the police have to be there & it was obvious the policeman had no idea what to do, he was not very empathetic & was a bit aggressive to my nan.
In his defence she did say to him 'I hope you get shot!' !!

LanaKanesLeftNippleTassle · 02/10/2017 08:58

I'd still really like a serving copper to tell me what they would have done in Catalonia yesterday.

And for serving coppers to justify undercover ops in perfectly legal, innocent and definitely non violent activist groups, when there isn't enough money to cover other things??

Kazzyhoward · 02/10/2017 08:58

It's not because of cuts, I don't know why so many on this site loves pretending it is. There have been issues like this long before this gov.

I think people are either young or forgetful so don't remember the Labour years. It wasn't a bed of roses between 1997 and 2010 either. Plenty of money was thrown around for schools, NHS, police, etc., but the service didn't really improve as much as it should have done and a lot of that money was pissed away on vanity/political projects. After all, the NHS budget was trebled but people were still needlessly dying and harmed in hospitals due to a minority of crap incompetent staff which Labour didn't even try to target. Today's so-called austerity is just a handy excuse for a minority of crap staff/management in lots of areas of public sector to continue being crap.

Kazzyhoward · 02/10/2017 09:06

I was a special constable back in the 1980s. After five years I resigned in disgust as I'd simply had enough of having to work alongside so-called professionals who didn't give a shit and were just doing the bare minimum to avoid being sacked so they could get their years in for a very attractive gold plated pensions at a stupidly early age!

I was once in the section van and the regular PC suddenly stopped in the middle of a road when he saw a couple of old ladies trying to cross - that's helpful I thought, as I assumed he was going to help them cross - but no, he shouted a vile, four letter word ridden, tirade at them for not using the crossing a couple of hundred yards away and then drove on!

On another night, I was walking on the beat through a pretty rough council estate with a regular, and we heard breaking glass from behind some shops. I started to walk towards them, but he stopped me and told me to walk away instead and hope that we were far enough away if a 999 call came in that someone else would have to attend!

Another evening, I was in the traffic "accident unit", but we spent at least 3 hours of the shift at the PC's girlfriend's house where I was stuck there watching TV whilst they were smooching on the sofa! Whenever calls came through his radio, he always made the same excuse of "having just stopped a vehicle" so not available!

The supervision and scrutiny of patrolling officers was an absolute joke.

Of course, I worked with dozens of dedicated officers too, but there were a few too many lazy and arrogant, and generally downright nasty officers for me.

ShatnersWig · 02/10/2017 09:07

I'm afraid my experiences and those of a couple of friends tend to make me side with the OP on the whole. Even allowing for pressures and cuts. That does not mean I don't think there are great individuals in the Police.