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To wonder how much breastfeeding matters 14 years on?

313 replies

ringle · 25/09/2017 21:42

Genuine question. I bf both my kids with relatively few problems, mostly because I found it enjoyable.

But looking back it doesn't seem that big a deal.

What's prompted this is a couple of people testifying on another thread that their ongoing efforts to bf drove them to depression.

What are the stats?

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Purplemeddler · 29/09/2017 10:16

It's not impossible that the continued banging on about the importance of breastfeeding is actually motivated by misogyny

I have always thought there was an element of this in the pressure to breastfeed. Admittedly dads can do lots of other tasks like changing nappies etc but when it comes down to it, if you exclusively bf, you're the only one having to get up in the night.

Some mums can express, the most I ever managed to express was half an oz so there was no way I would have been able to leave EBF at nursery or while I went out for an evening.

If you ff at least partially, anyone else can feed your baby too. I think that's great.

ringle · 29/09/2017 20:06

I found expressing rather yucky. No way would I have done that.

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BestZebbie · 29/09/2017 20:11

Well, my Rheumatoid Arthritis was almost certainly triggered by the hormonal changes of ending breastfeeding over a weekend at 6 months (official opinion based on how/when symptoms began - although if I was therefore "susceptible", in an alternate reality I could have triggered it with eg: getting measles had I never got pregnant).

RA is progressive so after 14 years I expect you'll very much be able to tell the difference (given that after 3 I use a cane and often a mobility scooter for days out).

AssassinatedBeauty · 29/09/2017 20:14

There's no shame in doing all the feeding, it isn't misogynistic or anti-women to want to do that. I absolutely hated the fact that when my babies were born they both ended up in SCBU, being tube fed and then bottle fed, which meant any random person could feed them. Any nurse on shift, any relative or visitor. I was suddenly completely superfluous, having only the day before being the only person keeping my baby alive. They had to be fed by other people because I was in recovery, I didn't see DS1 until a day and a half later due to being unwell. I hated it so much. It was not a great thing at all for me. I was exceedingly glad to get to the point where they were 100% feeding from me.

ringle · 29/09/2017 20:24

BestZebbie, Flowerssorry to hear about the RA . Are you thinking it might not have happened if you had continued bf or if you had never bf?

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jobergamot · 29/09/2017 20:47

I definitely think breast-feeding helped my daughter who is now 9 years old. I feel she has a really good immune system; she doesn't seem to get ill very easily and is very robust and healthy. But most importantly to me she can regulate her own appetite... she can leave one Malteser!

retreatwhispering · 29/09/2017 21:03

I'm not sure that it's possible to generalise on more than a population level about this.

Of my own DC (all BF) one definitely benefitted from breastfeeding and would have suffered - would possibly still be suffering - if they'd been FF. I had PND and bf forced me to spend time with that baby. I'm quite sure that it was time spent bf which forced a bond that we otherwise would have struggled to form. It's all so personal though. Another woman with PND might need to hand her partner a bottle and have a break.

One of my DC has suffered quite poor health. But maybe it would have been worse if they'd been FF. Or maybe not. Who knows?

BananaShit · 29/09/2017 21:44

Of course it isn't misogynistic to want to do all the feeding, and to do as you wish with your own body. Other people expecting it of you, and bullshitting about the terrible risks if you don't use your breasts in the way they prefer, that is.

HappyFeetAgain · 29/09/2017 22:13

It really really doesnt matter. I couldnt bf immediately and really wasnt up for stressing myself out to try so just ff. My doctor also supported this and told me as long as he is fed thats what matters. This helped me feel ok about it. Two of my friends bf and their kids are constantly ill with something or the other. My dd hasnt been sick with anything and on formulae.

HappyFeetAgain · 29/09/2017 22:16

Formula is just the laziness in some people who have never even tried to bf that’s what’s wrong with society here
This is the twat that probably thinks a VB is better than a CSec. Hmm

HappyFeetAgain · 29/09/2017 22:16

Formula is just the laziness in some people who have never even tried to bf that’s what’s wrong with society here
This is the twat that probably thinks a VB is better than a CSec. Hmm

mypoornips · 29/09/2017 23:37

Whispering - I had the same experience as you and think breastfeeding helped my sickly DC not be more seriously unwell. It also meant DC had frequent, full body cuddles when I had roaring PND and we were together much more than we would have been without it.

Ultimately though I think 14 years later breastfed or not, for most children the differences can't be seen. Really it's once people hit their 40, 50 or 60 the benefits come into their own and the protective factors appear against illnesses like diabetes, cancers, autoimmune diseases etc. Uncommon in teenagers but common once your body ages.

rightnowimpissed · 29/09/2017 23:58

HappyFeetAgain unnecessary major surgery would be avoided if at all possible by any sane person surely!

Ff after try bf I have no problem with if you don’t even try your lazy simple

BananaShit · 30/09/2017 12:03

Really it's once people hit their 40, 50 or 60 the benefits come into their own and the protective factors appear against illnesses like diabetes, cancers, autoimmune diseases etc. Uncommon in teenagers but common once your body ages.

There isn't any evidence for your claim though...

There is some for reduction in breast and ovarian cancer if you're the one doing the feeding, though it's not the strongest and the reduction in ovarian cancer can also be matched by using contraceptive methods that suppress/reduce ovulation. Can't with breast cancer. But for the person who was fed, all you're doing here is making a guess.

Also, let's not feed the fuckwit everyone.

stitchglitched · 30/09/2017 12:10

Ff after try bf I have no problem with if you don't even try your lazy simple

I could express the same sentiment about your grammar.

BananaShit · 30/09/2017 13:30

Ok, for that I'll make an exception. Fair play stitch!

rightnowimpissed · 30/09/2017 16:00

stitchglitchedSince when was if you can type properly on an iPhone the point. Your attitude of let’s find all the artificial things we can to look after a baby is actually quite sad, poor you

Banana, sums you up!

BananaShit · 30/09/2017 16:17

Sums your face up.

rightnowimpissed · 30/09/2017 20:11

Ha ha ha

BestZebbie · 30/09/2017 22:10

ringle: The way it has been explained to me is that I presumably had some kind of hidden innate higher chance of developing it, and then any big shock to the immune system in middle age could have set it off - so not breeding/bf wouldn't necessarily have saved me even though that is supposed to have been 'the cause' for me.
In my case breastfeeding has been fingered rather than just pregnancy because it all came on super intensely just after stopping whereas I'd been doing 13-mile walks with the pram a week or two before to get back in shape.

WhatWouldGenghisDo · 30/09/2017 22:34

BestZebbie Flowers

Threenme · 01/10/2017 08:53

28/09/2017 13:01 rightnowimpissed

Formula is just the laziness in some people who have never even tried to bf that’s what’s wrong with society here.

Oh dear that would be me! I'm lazy, not running around after under fives, running a home, going to work, doing our best like we all do! Luckily your opinion doesn't upset me. Can't work myself up when kids are happy as well fed.
However it's people like you that make bf such a thing that women end up depressed and feeling like failures if they don't want to or manage it.

ringle · 01/10/2017 12:11

Oh I see BestZebbie,

I'm really really sorry that that happened to you.

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Livingtothefull · 01/10/2017 12:31

My only DC was born prematurely and brain damaged at 28 weeks. He has cerebral palsy and severe learning difficulties. I wouldn't be without him now - but arguably the most traumatising aspect of the time on/after his birth (and the whole thing was traumatising) was the pressure to breastfeed.

Picture the scene: us watching our tiny little translucent scrap of life, 1 pound 12 oz on a ventilator. 'He will need nourishment to grow' I was told, 'and that's where you come in!'

Picture another scene, of a breast pump being wheeled onto my ward. 'We know it's hard in your circumstances, we accept that', I was told, 'but you need to start using the pump asap to try to get the flow established'. So I would be having to use the breast pump to try to get some milk for my desperately-ill baby who might never need it anyway. I recall that I did miraculously actually manage to get a few drops….had to decant it into test tubes and write my DC name on them (it is q a long name so I had to write small).

And oh the sense of failure, the feeling of not being a proper mother in any respect (can't produce a healthy baby, can't even feed the one I've got), when I took the test tube to the 'milk bank' and saw the large bottles of milk that other DMs had produced for their babies, and put my pathetic little test tube in amongst them.

DC was on the neonatal ward with other 'preemies' several of whom died. We had got to know their parents and saw their grief. One day my DC deteriorated very badly and for a few days we thought he would die too. That was the day I gave up trying to breastfeed - admitted failure - I just couldn't put myself through that any more.

As I say this has proved over time to be the most traumatising thing - the pressure to try hard, the feeling that I should have tried harder. I still don't know the rights or wrongs of it.

Peachypie83 · 01/10/2017 12:32

I mix fed my DD (7) for 9 weeks and hated it, I moved her onto FF and was far happier. She slept well and was generally a content baby.

DS (5 months) was 9 weeks premature and in hospital for a month. I expressed milk for him and was extremely lucky to be able to latch him on and breastfeed him. It became quite a big deal in my head because it was the only thing that I could do for him. Since he's been home, I have continued to breastfeed. Physically it's been an easy journey for us but emotionally less so and I've attempted to move him onto bottles but he has resisted and I've reached a point now where it's simpler to continue. He's also a good sleeper and a happy, contented boy and I haven't seen a difference in my two children beyond it being easier to soothe my boy because bfeeding is an instant comforter. Mentally I've struggled more with bfeeding and I don't think I will ever 'love' it but it suits our current circumstances

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