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Can anyone relate to this ridiculous mental trait?

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CheeseFiend36 · 25/09/2017 20:12

I'm socially insecure to the point where I analyse a conversation I've had with a stranger and let it play on my mind for days, particularly if there's been awkward silences or if I think I've come across as a bit of a tit.
I wish I could change it about myself. I come across as confident, but inside I feel like an absolutely idiot who pre-plans things to say as much as possible so that people don't think I've got nothing to say (one of my friends said that to me when I was about 18 and it's haunted me ever since). I put so much pressure on myself to say something interesting and can't abide being in a situation where there's silence as I think it's a reflection on just me and my inept social skills. I then end up saying something completely ridiculous to fill the gap and kick myself for days for saying stuff. It feels like a neverending cycle.

Now time for the ridiculous 1st world insignificant event if you were a normal person:
I went to a do on Saturday night, it was one where the company that I work for was invited to. We took one table of 10, which meant 5 employees could attend plus spouses.
There was one particular colleague and his wife. All 10 of us met in the foyer which is where I briefly said hello to her; Apart from that initial greeting we didn't speak for the whole evening as she was sat about 4 places away from me on the table, and the table was too big to speak to the colleagues/spouses on the other side.

A few hours into the event, I went to the toilets. As i was drying my hands and making my way towards the exit, I saw said colleague's wife standing at one of the sinks looking into the mirror. I'd have to walk past her to get to the exit. For a split second I was wondering whether to carry on but decided to stop and sort of said "oh sorry I didn't realise you were here, I'll wait with you and walk back". I felt like if I'd just walked past and she'd seen me, she'd think it was rude, because I was going back to the same table as her. I didn't want her to think I was up my own arse or ignorant.

So for the next minute or so I just stood there like a lemon while she applied her lipstick and brushed her hair. Of course, silences, as no one wants to apply lip gloss with a stranger stood waiting for you, so then I started with my silly time-filling drivel such as about the traffic, the weather, how nice the dinner was etc etc. It was so contrived on my part. We then walked back to the table in complete silence as I couldn't think of anything to say. We didn't say anything to each other again until it was time to leave.

i spoke to my DH about it at home and he said that I should've just walked straight past her and not waited for her. I said "what if she saw me in the mirror, wouldn't she think if it was rude if I just walked straight past without saying anything, or even saying hello but still not waiting when we were going back to the same table", he said no and he said that half of me always feeling like this is because I put myself in unnecessary situations where I have some kind of unjustified and unwarranted need to come across as self assured and pleasant.

He's right isn't he? How can I stop this? I'm fed up of feeling like I have to plan things to say otherwise I'm not interesting or people won't want to know me. I am interesting, I'm funny, but in some social situations I just put ridiculous pressure on myself. Does anyone else do anything remotely similar to this??

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cookiefiend · 25/09/2017 21:25

I do this! And like some previous posters I replay conversations which happened many years ago (like at primary school). At uni I became really confident- Quite popular etc, but since becoming a mum my confidence is very low- I probably need to work on it, but I have no idea how. I think at uni I just threw myself into everything- kind of faking it until I made it in terms of being confident. I need to get that back!

MrsNeedsCoffee · 25/09/2017 21:27

Yep. Actually glad of this post because now I know it's not just me Smile

CheeseFiend36 · 25/09/2017 21:32

"Own your crazy" Grin I love that!

I will go on the hunt for articles can, hopefully I'll find something that resonates with me and clicks in my brain!!

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Rosie70 · 25/09/2017 21:33

Whoops just realised that one is £100! Sorry!

But there are lots of books out there for social anxiety, worth giving one a go.

Mummatron3000 · 25/09/2017 21:36

I used to be like this, until I realised it was all right to be quiet, I didn't have to make conversation/small talk if I didn't want to.
Also, what struck me in your op was that the other person didn't feel the need to make conversation, so why should you?

cloudsneverstay · 25/09/2017 21:44

OP, I am a bit like this. And no one owuld ever think it because I do not seem shy or quiet. Not only do I analyse social situations and mistakes I have made but I feel if anyone knew the real me, they would hate me. I feel shameful, worthless, bad. I tend to find intimacy awkward and I distance myself from relationships. I just feel socially inept. It took me years to learn to make eye contact too. I find using the telephone frightening. But because when I do speak I come across as very articulate, middle class RP accent etc I am always told I am confident. Which is kind of a compliment but I don't feel it is really, because iut i snot the real me, even if I would like it to be. Also if I am angry or upset I can be very argumentative and people are like "wow, clouds, you are no pushover, are you? " What they do not realise is I constantly feel I have to say "yes" to everything I am asked to do, or those people will reject me.

cloudsneverstay · 25/09/2017 21:46

Oh, I am terrible at small talk. I often feel am just a socially awkward lump at parties etc

CheeseFiend36 · 25/09/2017 21:51

Cloudneverstay - you are me, I can relate to everything you've written. I also feel worthless and like a rubbish friend, I distance myself from my friends because I don't feel like I have much to offer them.
I do believe some of this stems from my childhood, my parents were hard working and would do the best for us however didn't instil us with self esteem or confidence. I'm constantly telling my DS how wonderful and special he is, I don't care if I raise a snowflake, I just wouldn't want him to have the same social anxiety that his mum does Sad

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Juicyfruitloop · 25/09/2017 21:52

You sound really good fun, kind and considerate. Said Colleagues wife was rude imo to not also share conversation to kill the silence. I get this I really do I always feel the need to fill the gap, but I dont care if its one way I just see it as a well.

Your gave her the chance for a conversation.

Most of the time I meet someone in the group similiar and kind of hit it off, Please do not be so hard on yourself. Keep a colour in mind or object when you feel your mind going over the conversation, fool your sub conscience think of said object it works. The thoughts will pass.

Summerswallow · 25/09/2017 21:52

I think even the most extrovert people find social interaction hard at times. That's why so many use drink to get things going. I hate parties and I'm quite outgoing, I just find the whole setting quite difficult, whereas one to one or a small group isn't as bad for me. I'd find the above situation the OP was in quite difficult- a bigger group, don't know some of the people, there's not that much to talk about and you aren't really making friends like you might with a new person at work over lunch, say. I think you did quite well, OP!

Summerswallow · 25/09/2017 21:54

Please go back into therapy- you are absolutely not worthless, in fact I can tell from what you have written that you are perceptive and witty and have a lot to offer someone as a true friend. Don't let yourself sell yourself so short. This account of yourself is just wrong- you really have a lot to offer.

SillyYak · 25/09/2017 21:56

I could have written your post, OP. It gets exhausting, doesn't it? I found this book really helpful www.amazon.co.uk/Overcoming-Anxiety-Books-Prescription-Title/dp/1849018782?tag=mumsnetforum-21

JustDanceAddict · 25/09/2017 21:58

I do this too. I think it’s really common. I often think am I coming across as rude, needy or whatever, esp at work. I’m ok with my old friends, but not so with newer. I do have to remind myself to Sometimes talk in a certain way ie, be friendly at work to people when really I just want to ask a work question, but that would be too blunt. Some people I am genuinely friends with and interested in, but others I have to fake it!!

JustDanceAddict · 25/09/2017 21:59

And I am quite extrovert in that I thrive on interaction, but I’m also naturally shy so it’s a weird combo!

blueberrypie0112 · 25/09/2017 22:01

It is different with women, I guess. Not that it matters, it is not a big deal if you made a small talk with her. Would you minded if she said something to you?

Robinkitty · 25/09/2017 22:02

At least you can do small talk, my head goes blank and I can't think of a single thing to say, not a thing. I usually end up muttering something negative about myself. You sound nice and friendly

blueberrypie0112 · 25/09/2017 22:04

If she is chatty with other women, it is probably because she talk to them friendly

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 25/09/2017 22:05

I bet the spouse is at home agonising about being such a total div when she couldn't think of anything to say as you walked back to the table. She's probably got her head in her hands worrying you must think she's a total tit.

Nazdarovye · 25/09/2017 22:07

Ask yourself this question: why should you be the one who initiates a conversation and be the entertaining one who is nice? Why not the other person? She/he is there too. If they don't make an effort, why should you?
Say you are going up in a lift with a colleague. Just the two of you in the lift. There's an uncomfortable silence. Why would you feel embarrassed about it when she is silent too? Let HER feel embarrassed about it. Maybe she feels like that anyway. Maybe not. If she feels embarrassed, let her stew. If she doesn't, you shouldn't either. Now go out and practice.

blueberrypie0112 · 25/09/2017 22:08

Frequently not friendly

TheNoodlesIncident · 25/09/2017 22:12

Ah yes, the hideousness of the post mortem after the event. No matter how trivial the encounter or visit to mums & tots, you STILL have to pick over every single thing you said, or didn't say but you realise later that you should have, everything you did - were you tactless, could it have been more happily expressed, was your tone right...? Did you interpret that person's expression correctly, or did you get it wrong...? Did you bore everyone you talked to, and they're now hoping you stop coming to the group?

Exhausting and one of the more gruelling traits of autism imo (not saying that's the cause for everyone though)

Onetedisbackinbed · 25/09/2017 22:16

You need to be less hard on yourself, this sounds exhausting. I've gone through phases when I've been more self conscious than others and I have to remind myself that people notice me less than I notice myself. I reflect on conversations and force myself to think 'stuff it'. Really no-one is analysing you as closely as you are analysing yourself. You don't sound like you're behaving inappropriately, you need to accept yourself. You might not be a natural but you're not doing anything wrongSmile

KityGlitr · 25/09/2017 22:17

Sounds like some traits of social anxiety. Very common. Especially the post analysing of any social interaction.

You can get on top of it and learn more healthy strategies to manage your anxiety by changing the way you think and behave. Here you go, self help course. It's fab and really works if you dedicate yourself to it:

www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/resources/infopax.cfm?Info_ID=40

CocoPuffsinGodMode · 25/09/2017 22:24

I think you're being really hard on yourself even though I get it as I used to have the most awful social anxiety. I doubt this woman has thought any more of it and to be honest she doesn't sound too nice if she just walked back in silence.

Your DH may have a point though re putting yourself into these situations unnecessarily. I understand it though - you spot her and your brain screams "oh god! Quick DO something! Say something!". When you think about it though, if someone exited a cubicle and you were the one freshening makeup, you wouldn't think they were rude for not waiting would you? A smile or wave to acknowledge they saw you, or a brief "hi" would I'm sure be perfectly acceptable to you. So it's fine for you to do that too.