Aibu to think I should be ok to exercise my well behaved dog wherever I like in fields

[Scrowy]

I'm not BU because my dog is a farm dog and the fields are my fields.

Sadly however the local dog owners seem to think that our fields (some with footpaths, some without) are fair game and that they have an equal right to use them as they see fit.

This week we have politely asked 6 people with loose dogs to remove themselves from the pasture we have just separated some lambs into. There is no footpath in that field but it has a nice view.

During lambing time this year we lost 4 lambs and 1 sheep to sheep worrying. About 5 years ago one dog killed 24 lambs in one go. Every week we are aware of minor incidents of sheep worrying, fortunatly most don't result in death but do always result in stress on the animals.

Also this week we have sent some older sheep to slaughter. Out of 30 of them 24 of them were condemned due to Echinococcosis, a disease passed on to sheep from dog poo and only identifiable at slaughter.

Neosporosis is another disease passed on from dog poo do cattle. It causes the cattle to abort their calves.

Letting your dogs poo on farmland is directly putting farms out of business.

Letting your dogs 'play' with sheep causes death, even if your dog doesn't actually maul something at the time.

You wouldn't walk into a shop, knock down a display and break stuff without expecting to have to pay for damages. Why do people think that the countryside is fair game?

I'm all for live and let live, I want people to enjoy the countryside and support it. I also want people to realise that it's not just there for their amusement, that some people are trying to make (an increasingly small and desperate) living from it.

lweji exactly

You're getting selective in which parts of posts you read again Counter, ThePlatypus doesn't have any vested interest in buying from local butchers and therefore farmers, because she is currently a small animal only vet. So pets, not farm animals at all.

I too am looking forward to the answers to Scrowys questions.

Oops ignore that! I forgot to refresh & missed a complete page!

um i'm also kind of confused about the Morrissey video. Struggling to understand how you feel it backs up your argument.

Sorry, as a child of the 70s, youth of the 80s, I can't take anything Morrissey might say seriously

Fascinating video, every murderer I met (except one) had a reason.

It's indeed a tough life for animals out there.
Even the trees are out to get them.

www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/two-new-species-of-sinister-birdcatching-trees-discovered-in-the-caribbean/

I don't read every post because there are too many of you spouting ultra-conservative (aka anachronistic) bully-boy taunts with either deliberate or unintentionally idiotic misinterpretations.

I also don't reply to every post that I may read because, frankly, too many are delusional.

Finally, for a supposedly animal-loving nation, we seem to have some overt supporters of animal abuse.

Righto

OK then, you tell us. How should the UK upland countryside be managed to ensure a balanced survival of native species?
How should enough food for everyone to be vegetarian or ideally vegan be grown in the UK? Or imported from elsewhere, produced to an ethical high standard, without exploiting/damaging poorer areas?

I'm assuming, of course, that you only eat UK grown organic, free-range, cruelty free produce? I'm all for that. And you don't purchase anything - from chocolate to avocados, from EU low-welfare diary produce and N&S American wheat and soya-dased produce, to palm-oil derived household cleaners and cosmetics? All these have been accused of causing major environmental damage, death of wildlife and hardship for indigenous peoples. Many occur in everyday supermarket products and ready-prepared foods. Presumably, therefore, you always cook all your own from fresh local organic ingredients?

If you honestly don't consume any of these nasties, then well done. But that still doesn't answer the issue of managing UK native wild uplands without some sort of grazing. Or the issue of damage done to innocent and environmentally-beneficial livestock by thoughtless walkers and out of control dogs.

My gripe is with livestock farmers, first and foremost. Is it really? What a twit you are. You've never been near a farm in your life

too many of you spouting ultra-conservative (aka anachronistic)

SIGH

Scrowy, you are demonstrating delusions of grandeur. You seem to think everyone is on your 'side'.
Well, via the power of PMs I know you have created an atmosphere of silencing objectors. No friendly farmer badge for you, I hope.

This thread has turned into a hounding against someone with a different point of view - someone who respects animals and does not believe they only exist to serve us and our appetites.

someone who respects animals and does not believe they only exist to serve us and our appetites.

But you don't respect plants or fungi?

"Delusions of grandeur"?
Is that a condition that involves invisible PMs?

You can't shoot the dogs Ffs!
You need to tell the people about the problem and where they are allowed to walk / are not allowed to walk.
Why would it be ok to kill someone's pet????

The OP doesn't intend to shoot any dogs, FFS.

RTFT

The OP hasn't said they will shoot the dogs!!

Amused as I am by counters display of ignorance, as someone genuinely interested in animal welfare, people with those views really fuck me off because it is so counter productive to improving welfare.

I want all animal products to come from animals raised with a high quality of life, slaughtered quickly, humanely and locally, pain and stress free from birth to death.

For that to happen we need to change the food industry and educate the public on how dirt cheap food is produced. Not blame the farmers who are scraping a living, especially those who are already farming as ethically as possible within the current system, and spout ridiculous opinions on how we should all be vegan and not kill the innocent animals.

All that does is give the general public the opinion that anyone wanting welfare reforms is a clueless vegan, and therefore they'll dismiss the genuine facts and concerns as yet more hippy hyperbole.

I'm also confused by the mention of what pets can eat. Our dinner tonight comes from dead pig, locally raised and slaughtered to a very high standard. One of the cats kills nearly all her own food, her dinner is likely to be rodents or a larger bird like magpie or pigeon, maybe a rabbit. The fact that pigs are a lot cuter than rats does not make it any morally different.

I'm sure counters also nurtures mice if they show up in her house. And fellow animals cockroaches.

Even kicking them out is unecessarily cruel.

I've read this thread with great interest, and my conclusion is that Counterpoint is a bit of a bell-end. Possibly a bell-end with a tinfoil hat.

Not a farmer.
Microbiologist, who knows exactly how different US bugs are to UK ones. And why. (Clue: It is all the antibiotics the US uses, and the UK doesn't).

The only way to improve 'welfare' for 'livestock' is to stop ............. eating them!

Also, this is the first time I've heard of antibiotics having Nationalities!

Do they need a visa?

Do they need a visa?

No, but they do need a license...

For clarity, is it the farmers or their wives posting such bile?

Does it matter?