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crazydil · 12/09/2017 11:48

There have been a few threads in regards to religion and without exception there are always a few posters who cannot help themselves from being disrespectful.

Is it difficult to get a point across without a slight dig? Criticism is part of a healthy discussion but to be so rude about something that is very important to some. ..is it really needed?
I've never felt the need to be rude about anyones belief no matter how strange I find it to be.

So basically aibu in expecting respect in any conversation

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existentialmoment · 14/09/2017 11:39

I think the point, however, is that it's possible not to know the origins of the universe with a lot of certainty, which is an odd statement given that I think every living organism on the planet is in that boat

Its' possible to know what the origins weren't. We weren't all brought here by a giant spaceship, and it wasn't a god.
We have some very good scientific theories that only move in one direction.

habenero20 · 14/09/2017 11:40

As a Christian I think faith school admissions criteria are shocking, for what it's worth. I'm so sorry to hear your story, Errol. What an utter pain for you

of course there are a lot of religious people who are secularists. you don't need to be an atheist to be a secularist, and I think secularism is the best way we can all get along.

Incidentally, I am a rather "soft" secularist. I am all for a society where we understand people have beliefs important to them, and they should be able to express those beliefs freely, and request (reasonable) time off work etc etc during important days.

habenero20 · 14/09/2017 11:43

Its' possible to know what the origins weren't. We weren't all brought here by a giant spaceship, and it wasn't a god.

we don't know that though. It's entirely possible that happened. There just isn't evidence for it, so no one should assert it happened that way.

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crazydil · 14/09/2017 11:45

I may have been a bit sarcastic, but when someone repeatedly tells me what I believe and gets it wrong, it can be a bit trying.

I guess now you share something with statelessprincess and other hijab wearing women. Continuously being told they are oppressed and they continuely respond that they are not.

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roseforarose · 14/09/2017 11:56

I dont believe in god because there is no evidence of god. I dont believe in the tooth fairy for the same reason.

Evolution has lots of evidence
No it doesn't.

existentialmoment · 14/09/2017 11:57

we don't know that though. It's entirely possible that happened

It isn't.

CockacidalManiac · 14/09/2017 12:00

Evolution has lots of evidence
No it doesn't.

Of course it does. Look around you; antibiotic resistance is a form of evolution.

existentialmoment · 14/09/2017 12:01

Evolution has lots of evidence

Lol. This is a joke, right?

araiwa · 14/09/2017 12:01

Rose- time after time you show a complete lack of understanding and ignorance of evolution. There is so much evidence but you think because you have never read or understood it then it doesnt exist

existentialmoment · 14/09/2017 12:01

HA, quote fail! It's the NO IT'S NOT that was meant to be "this is a joke, right?"

Of course evolution has lots of evidence.

roseforarose · 14/09/2017 12:03

I guess now you share something with statelessprincess and other hijab wearing women. Continuously being told they are oppressed and they continuely respond that they are not.

Yes but to be fair, in many middle eastern countries women don't get the choice. They are forced to wear it, and it symbolises women's oppression under men. The hijab is certainly not worn through choice over there. Women can still be stoned to death for disobeying men.

habenero20 · 14/09/2017 12:04

It isn't.

you think it's impossible that a group of humans were brought here from another planet? I'd say it's so unlikely it doesn't deserve being entertained, but not impossible.

Evolution has lots of evidence
No it doesn't.

tell that to "superbugs". drug resistant bacteria are all the rage right now.

existentialmoment · 14/09/2017 12:09

you think it's impossible that a group of humans were brought here from another planet? I'd say it's so unlikely it doesn't deserve being entertained, but not impossible

Of course I think it's impossible. We KNOW that humans evolved on this planet, we know that. We know what they evolved from, and how and when. And WHERE, ie here.

SunSeptember · 14/09/2017 12:10

Not read the thread op, but I see religion as private, unfortunately religion seems to be major cause of upset in the world and atheists who get no respect at all, probably just feel a little fed up.

Sorry but it's all same nonsense, different name

This is it and some religions have far more rules than others that do affect and permeate our every day life here in the UK. I strongly dislike that.

They are cults really and have followers, it should be done in private and no one else should have to have their life affected or permeated by this cult in anyway shape or form.

BoysofMelody · 14/09/2017 12:12

Yet atheism irrationally says that everything came from nothing

  1. Athiesm is not a creed. It is simply disbelief in the notion of a god or gods.
    Athiests think many different things. Just as thiests believe in many different gods and have very different relationships with them.

  2. You are just straight up wrong. Scientists have demonstrated again and again over 300 odd years that matter cannot be created or destroyed in the universe. They have demonstrated the absolute exact opposite of what you say.

SunSeptember · 14/09/2017 12:15

The problem is - if someone was brought up free and able to choose what they want to do with their life from a neutral stand point - then they chose - Islam/catholism/scientology/Paganism/Bhuddism...

I would say yes - that person had a true and free choice.

I am not sure where the choice comes from if a child is brought up indoctrinated from day one to follow and believe in a certain religion, its all around them every single day, often can be hours of religious practice, massive pressure and criticism, in the worse cases, death, isolation for not following the rules...from family, community and other peers...

Where is the bloody choice?

existentialmoment · 14/09/2017 12:17

Yet atheism irrationally says that everything came from nothing

Atheism says nothing of the sort! A-theism, it literally just means NO GOD. That is it. We are not a group of any kind, we may have nothing else in common.

habenero20 · 14/09/2017 12:19

Of course I think it's impossible. We KNOW that humans evolved on this planet, we know that. We know what they evolved from, and how and when. And WHERE, ie here.

sure we do. but we don't know that some of them didn't leave, and then come back on a space ship.

That's not an important point. But what is is that we certainly don't know is that a god didn't start the universe. that is, he/she didn't push that first marble to the game going. you can take what physicists think, and add a god right at the beginning making the first move. it's impossible to show that didn't happen.

existentialmoment · 14/09/2017 12:20

but we don't know that some of them didn't leave, and then come back on a space ship

Actually we do.

And simple logic shows how that didn't happen. If a creator created the entire universe,what created the creator and where did that come from?

araiwa · 14/09/2017 12:22

Equally you can remove god from everything and it would all still work

habenero20 · 14/09/2017 12:28

Actually we do.

how?

And simple logic shows how that didn't happen. If a creator created the entire universe,what created the creator and where did that come from?

why does a creator need creating?

The fallacy is that a creator is there BECAUSE everything needs a cause (except, apparently, a creator).

It's consistent to have the world view that everything started at the timeless creator, he started the ball rolling, and he's been sitting back with popcorn watching ever since. There just isn't evidence for that.

Madhairday · 14/09/2017 12:44

tell that to "superbugs". drug resistant bacteria are all the rage right now.

Too right. I've got one of these which won't let up on my lungs. Hoping the two weeks I've just had in hospital on toxic IVs will have dealt with the little bugger.

On issue of beginnings, the position of many Christians is that God is timeless and therefore doesn't come under the 'everything that has a beginning has a cause' clause that the universe does. Obviously unprovable. But so are multiverse theories and little green men transferring matter to our world. But the timeless God makes a lot more sense to me. Loads of stuff like natural laws underpinning the universe and fine tuning and all that malarkey. I know all the refutations too, don't worry Grin

existentialmoment · 14/09/2017 12:46

It's consistent to have the world view that everything started at the timeless creator, he started the ball rolling, and he's been sitting back with popcorn watching ever since. There just isn't evidence for that

Of course there isn't, that's my point.

MmmmmmmChips · 14/09/2017 12:49

It is very difficult to criticise religion without criticising the believer.
I do think anyone has the right to believe in whatever they like but equally to find religion or aspects of it ___ (fill in whatever word you wish eg absurd, baffling, immoral .....)

BertrandRussell · 14/09/2017 13:18

"Loads of stuff like natural laws underpinning the universe and fine tuning and all that malarkey. I know all the refutations too, don't worry grin"

It would be do much easier if someone would make a key, wouldn't it?

Poster 1 "A"
Poster 2 "Z"
Poster 1"But C!"
Poster 2 "Aha! Q!!!!!"
Poster 1

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