What does it take to be expelled..

[imjusthereforasec]

From a primary school?

A situation at our school involving sexualised behaviour has arisen and the child has been internally excluded but not permanently. The child is not in my child' class but knowing the situation (as half the school does) I feel really uncomfortable with the child remaining at the school. AIBU feeling like the child should not remain at the school?

Unlikely they'll be expelled for that.

Either it has to be very serious indeed or (normally) a catalogue of behaviour issues over years with the school proving it can do no more for the child.

Bear in mind I've taught children on GBH, armed robbery and attempted murder charges (all 15/16 year old boys)

Sexualised behaviour can be a sign of abuse.

There will have to be an investigation before any action is taken.

Hence internal exclusion for now.

Permanent exclusion is very serious and not taken lightly. I've sat on panels to exclude and it's been really serious. i.e. bringing a weapon into school

Children are always given many chances and one of the factors in my school is the child being a danger to other pupils or staff.

Exclusion means going to another school or being taught at one of the education centres ... which aren't great.

The LEA are key in this as well.

You are BU and you know it. You know a child is likely being abused, is exhibiting that behaviour and you want destabilise them further.

If I told you what went on in secondary schools you'd be home educating PDQ! I've even taught someone on a tag, on bail for attempted murder whilst out of head on drugs. It was his drug dealer he attempted to kill with repeated hammer blows to the head. A rapist. He was very manipulative and predatory. Schools are a reflection of society, even the bad bits

Wish I hadn't read this. Already worrying about my teeny tiny naive 9 year old who still believes in fairies having to start looking at and thinking about home schooling. I might home ed her!

I am concerned for the safety of MY child - i do not think that is being Unreasonable.

Of course I can understand your concern for your child, but 'specialised behaviour', isn't sufficient reason for permanent exclusion.

I'm sure the relevant services are involved and trying to do the best they can.

I know a child excluded from primary. They threw a chair through a window and punched several teachers.

Just make sure your child has a good sense of what's appropriate, what their boundaries are and what to do if they are concerned.

Depends what it is. Context is everything. For example, taking a knife to school could be a penknife left in a rucksack from a camping trip at the weekend which falls out accidentally when a book is pulled out by a child who is never challenging and always co-operative, or a kitchen knife with an 8 inch blade brought intended to stab someone with by a child who had previously assaulted other children or been violent to staff. One might result in a short fixed term, one permanent. Context is everything so it is impossible to say without a bigger picture.

To answer the question in your title a pupil can only be excluded from school for either a serious one off incident which breaches the school's behaviour policy or persistent breaches of the school's behaviour policy. There is no definitive list of what constitutes a serious one off incident but it would usually cover incidences such as serious physical assault, bringing and/or using illegal drugs on to school premises, bringing / using / being in possession of an offensive weapon (eg knife, gun).

Every school's behaviour policy is slightly different and schools are required to use permanent exclusion as a 'last resort'. That is, schools are expected to have tried lots of other things to support the pupil before moving to permanent exclusion.

In addition, schools are required to pay particular attention to avoiding permanent exclusion where at all possible for vulnerable pupils (such as those in care, formally looked after or those with SEN) as the potential risk from being permanently excluded is significantly higher for these types of vulnerable pupils.

Why does everyone known about it?

Ask the school what they are doing to ensure your child is safe, they can't discuss other kids with you, but they can let you know about your own.

Teach your child to stay away from the one with the problems and make sure there is always a teacher or TA within sight.

If the problem kid approaches your child, your child should say repeatedly go away in a loud voice, if they touch your child your child should say get off me, don't touch me, leave me alone in a very loud voice.

Also, the school should have a risk assessment in place to make sure it does not happen again.

What is the 'sexualized behaviour'? At sil's school they recently suspended an 8 yo girl for kissing another 8 yo girl on the mouth, as apparently it was against the second girl's religion and she could never have consented to the kiss.

How do you know that happened?

The school will have a risk assessment in place to protect other children and that child - children who have sexually harmed others are vulnerable as both a perpetrator and a victim. They're also likely to have been sexually abused themselves.

Depends on the school, I'd assume.

I went to a private school and two students were expelled in the time I was there. One was for drinking/getting drunk in the school bathrooms during school hours. The expelled person had only been at the school for about a week, too.

The second was for telling a primary school kid on the school bus to fuck off.

But, as far as I'm aware, public/state schools here find it difficult, if not impossible, to expel students.

Ignore my post, as I didn't read the first line of the post asking about primary school.

I would echo the thoughts of others that sexualised behaviour is likely to be connected with other things that are going on in that child's life.

Sorry but I think you are unreasonable to only care about YOUR child. This child is likely to have been abused. Your 2nd post is everything that is wrong with the world.

Please stop discussing it with other parents. 😔

Literally the only time i have seen someone expelled it was a student who bought a weapon into school and chased a teacher with it. The entire teaching body let it be known that they would act if he wasnt excluded.

In your situation i cant see that they would. How long they can internally exclude i dint know. Whether its in the chillds best interest to stay where half the school know i dont know.

Sexualised behaviour in that age range is sugggestive of abuse - they have most likely internally excluded the child to undertake a full investigation.

YABU and you know it - please stop discussing this with other parents and try and have some empathy. These kind of attitudes are why a lot of vulnerable kids end up using drugs, entering crime etc.

YANBU to be concerned about your child, but YABU to want every child you are "not comfortable" with to be excluded. There are probably lots of children in the school that have issues; you have just heard about this one. Remember that this 8 year old boy is most likely a victim himself. I know a family where the child's sexualized behaviour in school opened up an investigation and they discovered he had been sexually abused by his mum's partner

Op speak to the school about measures in place, educate your dd about keeping safe but don't feed into the playground gossip about this boy.

I am concerned for the safety of MY child - i do not think that is being Unreasonable

Absolutely not unreasonable, are you taking the necessary steps and having the appropriate conversations with your child about boundaries and what's acceptable?

You are being unreasonable to expect a potentially abused child to be excluded. We had an incident at school of inappropriate sexual behaviour by a pupil in DS class. The parents couldn't understand why excluding a potentially abused child (meaning they would have to stay at home with the abuser) would be ok. It turns out the child was being abused by their Dad daily and Social Services were called via the school. If he had been excluded, he would be trapped at home. The younger non school age sibling was horrifically abused upto three times a day.

Both children were removed from the family home but stayed in school throughout. My heart broke for them, despite the eldest being one of my DS bullies.

But, as far as I'm aware, public/state schools here find it difficult, if not impossible, to expel students.

Number of permanent exclusions from state schools in the last year for which statistics are available, 2015/16: 6685. Over 32 a day.

So clearly not impossible.