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To think that Houston will be sorted alot quicker than New Orleans was(nt)?

78 replies

PyongyangKipperbang · 28/08/2017 01:39

Because Houston is full of rich high tax paying people and New Orleans was full of poor people who can safely be ignored?

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expatinscotland · 28/08/2017 15:50

The Port of Galveston is condition ZULU for the next 48 hours so things are still far from over there. It's too early to speculate on anything and hopefully people are more focused on rescuing each other and trying to stay safe for now. It's awful to watch this unfold. I have not heard from my sister today and am worried for her safety as the water was on her driveway last night. She has lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. I have since heart my aunt's home in the Heights area is flooded and she's at a friends. No telling how she got there because her car washed away. My folks are still on the ship, worried sick for their other daughter and hearing rumours they are going back to Mexico because the port is closed for the next 48 hours.

But hey, let's speculate on politics.

wrightmarg · 28/08/2017 16:17

Sounds unimaginably terrifying. Hope anyone caught up in it is able to stay safe.

Originalfoogirl · 28/08/2017 16:21

Could it not also be because the federal and state governments have learned from the cluster-fuck that was Katrina? We are not required to make the same mistakes over and over again- even if sometimes we choose to

I agree. Everyone is too quick to jump on the "rich v poor" thing when it comes to disaster relief. If Houston is sorted quicker it may well be because politically, it would be a real problem for Trump if it all goes wrong.

Titanz · 28/08/2017 16:23

I'm glad people like expat and barbarian waded in.

Do we have to make everything political and an attack?

NewIdeasToday · 28/08/2017 16:57

I hope all of you living through this terrible situation stay safe and that your families stay safe. It's hard to comprehend the scale of the emergency out there. Wishing you all the best.

Cavender · 28/08/2017 17:01

Expat I hope you hear updates on your family soon and that they are all safe.

SchoolShoes · 28/08/2017 17:08

I'm glad there were sensible answers to this op.

Cavender · 28/08/2017 17:12

To be honest School I'd have more respect for the OP if she came back and held her hands up to the inappropriate nature of this thread and offered an apology.

YvesKleinBlue · 28/08/2017 17:17

Morning Cavender and Bradley

I didn't sleep well last night but we still have a roof over our heads and enough food to last us until the weekend. That is more than many people in Houston have at the moment and something I am very thankful for.

expat I hope you hear from your family members soon and that they are safe.

KeiraTwiceKnightley · 28/08/2017 17:26

Expat - your family were in my thoughts as soon as this situation reared its head as I know you are from the Houston area. You must be terribly worried. I do hope you hear good news soon, and that when the water recedes the damage is not too terrible for them all. The same good wishes to other Houstonians - it's terrifying for you all.

cantthinkofabloodyname · 28/08/2017 17:47

I have friends in Beaumont and the water levels are rising there. They are worried about family members who have already lost their homes in Houston. I keep looking for updates from them, to know that they are safe.

Gorgosparta · 28/08/2017 17:56

Things should be bloody different.

They should have at least learnt something during the fuck that was the katrina effort.

What state it is makes a huge difference too.

expatinscotland · 28/08/2017 18:05

Thanks, all! Thinking of you, cav, Bradley, sending no flood/tornado vibes. My sister says the water is still holding in her driveway. My best friend and high school friend in the Midtown is flooded . Another friend is in his office building 6 floors up but can't leave now, thankfully he has food and water. The storm could potentially drift back out into the Gulf, pick up more strength and water, and dump even more over Houston, all of E. Texas and W. Louisiana. I keep looking at news reels and photos, seeing if I recognize street signs, or anyone . . . too many street signs I recognize. It's a dire situation.

Anatidae · 28/08/2017 18:16

houston has it's fair share of poverty (having been there a few times)

The scale of this is terrifying - a huge area, and fifty inches of rain forecast on top of what's already hit. The storm may swing back out over the gulf and pick up more energy and water.

Really awful - we have colleagues there. Hoping they are all ok.

BradleyPooper · 28/08/2017 23:43

We're good here, my road is clear although I cant get anywhere because not many other roads are! My neighborhood organized a collection of clothes for shelters so dh delivered 8 garbage sacks of clothes (waiting for a hurricane is great closet clearance time) a few blocks away.

Some facts about Houston (thanks to Facebook) for anyone who wants more information:

  1. The streets and many of the public parks here are designed to flood. We sit just 35 feet above sea level, and most of the city is as flat as a pool table. We average about 50 inches of rain a year. The streets and parks serve as temporary retention ponds, accommodating slow, steady drainage through our bayous.
  1. We average about 50 inches of rain a year, but in the last 48 hours, many areas of greater Houston received 25 to 30 inches of rain. That's six to nine month's worth of rain, in two days. The drainage system, which works well in normal conditions, was overwhelmed. Officials are calling this an "800 year flood": that means there was a one in 800 chance of its occurrence. Even with advance notice, there was little means of preparing for this.
  1. It is impossible to evacuate a city the size of Houston. Harris County is 1700+ square miles, with a population of 6.5 million people. How do you evacuate 6.5 million people? During the hours leading to Hurricane Rita's landfall, tens of thousands of Houstonians attempted evacuation. The traffic jams lasted for days. One hundred people died. So far, six Houstonians have died in Hurricane Harvey, all of them (as far as I have heard) drowned in their automobiles. For more than a decade, the local mantra has been "shelter in place and hunker down." That's hard, but it's the right approach.
  1. Some outsiders are treating this disaster with schadenfreude: Texans helped elect an anti-big government president, and now we're going to need big government help. Houston is the bluest spot in Texas, and voted Clinton in 2016. Suggesting this is karmic payback for backing Trump is as inaccurate (and offensive) as Pat Robertson's suggestion that Hurricane Katrina was God smiting sinners. We really aren't thinking Red or Blue right now. We are taking a royal beating, all of us. Disasters don't care about ideology.
  1. You are going to feel this. Gas prices are going to skyrocket. Oil refined products, everything from PVC pipe to dry cleaning fluid, will rise in price. The stock market will take a hit. New Orleans is a fantastic city, but it's not a major economic force. Houston is the center of the nation's energy industry. It's home to dozens of Fortune 500 companies. And 85% of it is under water. It may be this way for weeks. The aftermath of Katrina captured the world's attention. The aftermath of Harvey is going to grab you by the lapels, and shake you 'til you're cross eyed.

The next issues? Dams are old and their structural integrity is due an upgrade about now. Water is being released slowly into the bayous that have thankfully dropped a bit. However, it's difficult to do it fast enough because its still raining. It's a delicate balancing act. Many of my friends who live near the reservoirs are under voluntary evacuation orders so have managed to get out and stay with friends a little further away. Many more are sheltering upstairs at home.

We aren't really due a huge amount more rain, about 5" a day til Wednesday, but there's nowhere for that to go and we have enough issues with reservoir water. The water on the ground is full of feces, rotting matter (floating up from storm drains), fire ants, potentially snakes and gators too. This is not a swimming pool in my yard.... it will start to smell and harbor disease.

The Mayor of Houston also spoke today about keeping calm. Houstonians love their guns and I'm aware already of one incident where being cooped up got too much and someone resorted to a firearm to settle an argument. It may not be right but the attitude that has been held here for generations means that in some cases, guns are used when they shouldn't be. This could also be an issue.

Expat, I'm sorry to hear about your friends and family, so difficult with sketchy information so far away. I'm close to Meyerland and they get hit without exception in annual spring floods but I hope your parents are comfortable and fingers crossed, their car and house are not damaged.

I'm slightly sceptical about people on here making comparisons between 2 foreign cities half a world away. Houston is a very resilient city, communities are pitching in as much as they can already, donations are being made, we have very strong city leadership and the right decisions are being made.

SenecaFalls · 28/08/2017 23:55

Their income might not matter but their colour and voting preferences might. They are very strong Trump voters so we shall see.

As others have pointed out, Harris County went for Hillary. Also there are many people of color in Houston, including its mayor, who is a Democrat.

There are also many people there who evacuated from New Orleans in 2005 during Katrina and stayed.

Thinking of you and your family, expat.

Cavender · 29/08/2017 00:34

GrinGrinGrin

Bradley great minds. I just came on to share exactly the same FB quotation!

Best wishes for a safe night everyone.

RockyBird · 29/08/2017 00:41

My best friend has had to leave her home. She's safe which is the main thing but who knows what she'll go back to.

Fuck off OP.

SenecaFalls · 29/08/2017 00:46

Good point about how so much depends on local officials. As a longtime Florida resident who has had to evacuate twice and sheltered in place four times, I know how true this is.

I went to college in New Orleans and have had two emails from the University president about what we can do to help (the university set up temporary operations in Houston after Katrina and has kept a presence there). So I will follow up on one of those options.

This is a devastating event. Thoughts and best wishes to everyone affected.

HerRoyalNotness · 29/08/2017 00:48

Actually Houston went for Hilary, bucking what he test of the state did. Regardless it's Houston that is in need now, and they will get help as they need it

Finola1step · 29/08/2017 00:51

Thinking of you Cav, Bradley and Yves and hope there is some let up with the rain soon. And fingers firmly crossed for your relatives expat.

I have only ever been to the airport in Houston to change plans en route back to London. But flying over the city is a real eye opener as the sprawl is vast. It really is a geographically huge city and I agree, incomparable to New Orleans. I wish all.of you well and Bradley - thank you for the Houston info above, very informative.

BeALert · 29/08/2017 00:52

I went to college in New Orleans and have had two emails from the University president about what we can do to help (the university set up temporary operations in Houston after Katrina and has kept a presence there). So I will follow up on one of those options.

I think everyone in every state is wanting to know how they can help people in Houston ATM. I'm at the other end of the coast and people from my state have gone down there to help out, and there is fundraising and also people offering to foster/adopt pets.

HerRoyalNotness · 29/08/2017 00:55

Xposted with many as I was incensed with the OP!

HerRoyalNotness · 29/08/2017 00:58

Websites have been pointing to the Mayors find here

ghcf.org/donate-now/

Our neighbour knocked today to gather supplies for the shelter at one of the high schools and collected from the neighbourhood and took it all over. That's all we can do immediately.

There is a wonderful crew called the Cajun Navy who came in convoy with trucks and boats and are assisting to get people rescued. Fabulous!

PhilODox · 29/08/2017 01:17

I cannot even begin to imagine 50" of rain- I'm only 60" myself!
DH was telling me that after Katrina, thousands never returned to New Orleans. He said many people went to Houston. Sad
Thinking of you all, and hoping you're all safe, and this passes soon. If only it would move out off the land.

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