That boomers should should avoid criticising younger people when..

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They are the "the worst users of drink and drugs"

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/23/wednesday-briefing-baby-boomers-worst-drinkers-and-drug-users

I guess they can afford to with housing not being a problem for them - people in their 20s and 30s have no spare money for drink and drugs!

Also free university!

To be fair, less than 8% of the population went to uni in 1970.
It's way over 50% now. That's some bill.

There is no written contract, but when the were first introduced after the war, that was how they were meant to work.

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove by constantly going over this. Start saving more in your private pension if you are that concerned..Why has this got anything to do with me being at the take end of the Baby Boom..... oh wait, it's MY fault that you are in the position you are in. 🤦‍♂️ Why didn't l realise? Of course.

I am a Gen-Xer and feeling a bit left out - we are neither blamed for the current economic climate, nor accused of being precious snowflakes

I think my generation did introduce a culture of long working hours, and also, with more women entering the workplace, house prices began to be based on dual incomes. Then we all had children and realised it was unsustainable.

What cheeses me off about boomers - and I don't mean all people of a certain age, just the ones who have been very lucky - is that they are going to be the ones to break the welfare system.

fil is 95 and has been retired for 35 years on a large public sector pension. He has spent the last 7 years I think in a home as he has advanced dementia (though physically is fine). If you extrapolate this to the upcoming bulge in the demographic it is obviously unsustainable. The healthcare and pension costs will be so huge that tax will have to be 90% for everyone to support the current elderly.

Although l fail to see why this is relevant to the Boomers the majority of whom have retired. Unlike myself who will be working to 67

I'm a boomer and I haven't retired yet, and I won't get my state pension till I'm 66. I don't have a private pension either. Bums.

..... oh wait, it's MY fault that you are in the position you are in. 🤦‍♂️ Why didn't l realise? Of course.

Classic boomer. It's all about you.

Your argument was that millenials will be able to have a state pension (and if we don't it's because we're lazy and didn't fight for it!) and that we're gonna be able to buy houses for cheap once the oldies die. You're wrong, and that's what I'm trying to get through to you.

I don't think most millenials (well me and my friends at least) blame boomers for the economic situation. It's not my parents fault they bought a house for 17,000 and when they sold it it was worth 325,000. They take a state pension, what are they meant to do turn it down?
I don't think it's my parents fault at all. I don't feel animosity towards boomers.
And yes we are the generation that will do worse than our parents, but growth has to slow/end at some point surely?

And the pension contributions were called SERPS. Save As You Earn Pension Scheme...

There have been poor people and clueless "let them eat cake" MC/UC people in just about every generation. I've known plenty of broke boomers in social/private rented accommodation.

And every up and coming generation has been regarded as clueless pampered idiots by some members of the previous generation.

I don't see the point of making this a generation vs generation thing, better to try and get politicians in to power who share your concerns.

Get out of my garden 😂😂😂😂Actualy I'm Gen zjones/Gen X. So just out of the terrible Boomers😂😂

Also with care costs inheritances will be down. Mil and fil between them have paid out over half a million in care home costs (not a fancy place by any means, either) and are now nearly down to needing to be funded by the council. If people are routinely going to live till 100 then more and more money will go towards care and not move down the generations.

Mogulfield - very few professions provide a pension on which you can retire at 50. The police service being a notable exception. My DF (engineer) retired at 65 after starting work at 14 - he died a couple of years after retirement. He got his qualifications by working full time then going to nights school for years.

University might have been free but it was for a small minority. Now everyone wants to go to "uni", come out with a shed load of debt and are flabbergasted that employers aren't lining up to pay them a fortune.

Out of interest, re. the boomers being unpaid childcare... What did they do? I thought families - especially grandmothers - helping out with little ones was normal, going back at least a couple of generations.

And you need to read u about the birth of the welfare state x

Drink and drugs - I wish. I am working past retirement age to make ends meet and provide some financial support for family that need it, part time so I can provide grandchild care when required. But I had a ball in my 20s, so don't feel hard done by.
YABU because you are generalising. Many "boomers" are doing the best they can to support younger generations. Some had it easy and some did not. Some are selfish and some are generous. They are just people, like every generation before them and every generation that will follow them.

Hate the line from boomers "if you gave up up coffee and iphone you could have a deposit". Just fuck off.

These people aren't just an invention. I know some of them.

No they're not. My parents are a perfect example of them as are their friends. It's hard not to feel resentful when they're gleefully clicking their heels over benefits caps and reductions in Tax Credits as they sit on their fat pensions in their lovely house while I am a single parent with two disabled children. When my Dad was chortling over some benefits change that meant many were struggling I said to him "you do realise you're laughing at me right now don't you?" He said dismissively "you're not on tax credits". He didn't even know what they really were and that in my position I certainly was claiming them, still highly amusing to him that they were being cut though.

Many milennials will do very well indeed out of their parents assets when they inherit them,. Unless their parents read bitter threads like this and decide to spend the lot and/or disinherit.

And you think people don't live pay packet to pay packet now? Get with the truth...

There is an element of choice about what we spend our money on now. My mum knows I have a coffee habit, but there's no way she'd ever spend her money on this or a supermarket sandwich for lunch because her mindset is that this can be made at home for pennies. If we ever visit the high street together and I suggest a coffee, she admonishes me like a child, such are her memories of hardship. The only time she doesn't make a comment about wasting money on coffee is at motorway services during a long drive - I do the driving, an she actually offers. Even then I buy the biggest size available and share it. Its a small thing but a big luxury for her.

She worked throughout her adulthood, which she now regrets as she feels she should have spent time raising her children rather than relying on childcare, which we all hated. She's always had a very rough relationship with my father but didn't leave him because she couldn't afford to keep her children on her salary (the benefits culture wasn't the same then), on balance she ploughed on through hell for our sake. This was an age when people didn't broadcast their problems.

This is a generation that lived through the discontent of the late 70s (my brother was born in 1978, he opened his eyes as I was busy watching Charlie's Angels on our B&W TV - a luxury in those days), recession and sky-high interest rates of the 1980s. Another recession in the early 90s, by the time 2007 came along they were home and dry, purely because their 3 kids had moved on.

Let them enjoy their lives now, heaven knows they had it tough when they were raising families. I can see my generation (I'm mid-40s) beiing the next up for target practice. What lifted me out of the life my parents had was education: grammer school and no tuition fees. I launched into the world of work with 70+hrs of work (my choice, having seen my parents struggle) until my mid-30s. Its only then I could revert back to normal working practice and consider having a family, by which time it was nearly too late. I'd watched my mum struggle with 3 kids and was always quite clear that I wouldn't fall into that "trap".

Every generation has its advantages and disadvantages. Its easy to see other people's lives through the prism of one's pwn discontent.

Teacake Some Gen X friends of mine have kids, two of whiom have just moved into their own homes. One wouldn't countenance going to second hand furniture places, and the other won't move into her newly purchased home until it's decorated, and in the meantime has parked herself, her husband, dd and dog at her parents. She and her husband could be decorating now, but have been having a 'relaxing summer'. I think that's the difference at times - we had second hand until we could afford new, and lived with it, and we lived with the decoration going on, or doing it ourselves, whilst working full time.

You can tell boomers to go forth and multiply, but there is a difference in expectations and attitudes.

Hate the line from boomers "if you gave up up coffee and iphone you could have a deposit". Just fuck off.

And may they fuck off leaving their legacy to a deserving cause, not some entitled brat.

Oh and just for the record I'm 59 and voted 'remain'.

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My daughter has Angel Delight once a fortnight at nursery!

My parents are baby boomers.

They grew up with rationing
They were properly poor
They had nothing like the opportunities for higher education we have now - in the area they lived in you went down the pit or left school and had babies.
They scraped to buy a house - and lived through insane repayments.
Now they own that house (up north so not a goldmine) and have modest pensions. They worked bloody hard and why shouldn't they have what they have?

The media and the powers that be LOVE this whole millennials vs boomers shit. Divide and conquer! The problem is not baby boomers. the problem is a social stratification of rich and poor that sees the wealth and benefits of hard work concentrated in the hands of a tiny percentage of the population

I'm sick of all this anti-boomer shite (I'm a generation x).

My mum and dad's childhoods sounded bloody awful. Outside toilets, no holidays, limited food, home made hand me down clothes, precious little luxuries. My FIL's childhood home had a dirt floor! My MIL grew up in a 2 bed flat with her 5 brothers and sisters. And then leaving school at 15 for a truly shit job.

Corporal punishment in schools. They weren't just hit but often beaten. And then your parents would hit you because the teacher had.

8% of school leavers went to university.

No maternity pay, paid less than a man for doing exactly the same job, no tax credits.

If you lived north of the Watford gap then the unemployment during the 1980s was terrifying. My mum and dad had no work for 3 yrs. they would have settled for a minimum wage (which by the way - there was no minimum wage) zero hour job. But there were no jobs.

And now they have a modest pension and have the termerity to own their own home they are absolutely lambasted for it.

It is utterly ridiculous how this type of ageism is in anyway acceptable.