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To think they should just ban nuts on all flights

999 replies

Ijustwantaquietlife · 21/08/2017 15:45

Just reading this and it's heartbreaking, seems like such a simple change to ban nuts on all flights to help protect people.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

I've heard several people on mn saying they've been on flights where they were banned, seams to make sense as nut allergies are so widespread to just ban all together imo.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

OP posts:
LadyinCement · 23/08/2017 17:11

Well, BeALert, with a severe allergy I just couldn't face sitting through an entire flight knowing that peril may be lurking. Day-to-day you can control the environment to a certain extent but, as people have noted, on a plane there is circulated air and you are trapped. I'd avoid the risk altogether.

BeALert · 23/08/2017 17:13

So you don't actually have anything further we could do other than 'not fly'?

4691IrradiatedHaggis · 23/08/2017 17:18

I love nuts. Can't beat a few handfuls with a few glasses of wine. I can't for the life of me think how my want for a handful of dry roasted would translate into "they should stay at home and not fly then."
I just..... I can't compute how anyone could be that self absorbed.

LadyinCement · 23/08/2017 17:24

I'm saying I wouldn't fly. Of course there should be a nut ban, but it could never be as effective or foolproof as, say, a smoking ban.

DeleteOrDecay · 23/08/2017 17:32

So just because you wouldn't fly with a nut allergy, which his fine as that is your choice, you expect others to do the same?

trickster78 · 23/08/2017 17:35

But if they weren't served/sold - the risk is already massively cut down. The amount of people eating nuts/potentially nuts is far less.

As I mentioned in my post above, sadly our lives are full of risk. What was on that table before we sat down? In our holiday home, what was cooked on the utensils before? Do I need to rewash this bowl as I mixed eggs in it yesterday and I'm paranoid about it. It's about reducing risk without further decreasing quality of life.

LadyinCement · 23/08/2017 17:38

I don't expect others to do anything. I just said that would be my way of dealing with it. I just wouldn't trust people not to flout - either intentionally or otherwise - a ban.

4691IrradiatedHaggis · 23/08/2017 17:41

I just wouldn't trust people not to flout - either intentionally or otherwise - a ban.

Surely you can see though that by not selling/serving them that's taking away the chance of potentially a few hundred bags being opened at 30,000ft?
It's a massive risk and one that could so easily be avoided.

BeALert · 23/08/2017 17:44

I don't expect others to do anything. I just said that would be my way of dealing with it. I just wouldn't trust people not to flout - either intentionally or otherwise - a ban.

But you said parents of children with peanut allergies should take more personal responsibility, then when I asked you what that might entail the only suggestion you had was not to fly at all.

If you're not suggesting parents of peanut-allergic children shouldn't fly, then exactly what personal responsibility are we shirking?

zwellers · 23/08/2017 17:44

Let's ban eating all food in public places in case someone's allergic.

DeleteOrDecay · 23/08/2017 17:45

You said sufferers and parents of sufferers should take personal responsibility so you obviously expect something more from them than they're already doing.

DeleteOrDecay · 23/08/2017 17:45

Zwellers that's ridiculous and you know it.

LadyinCement · 23/08/2017 17:46

Sigh. I keep saying a ban is appropriate. But from what posters have said, even one peanut or nut product can cause a problem. Quite obviously the chance of inhalation is lessened, in the same way that a flight full of passengers with bird flu is more risky than one or two passengers with it, but all the same I don't think I'd take the risk.

kittybiscuits · 23/08/2017 17:49

I keep posting a reasonable comment and following it up with something completely twattish and I just can't understand why people keep saying I'm a twat....

Lucysky2017 · 23/08/2017 17:54

I am happy if they ban nuts as long as they substitute giving you a similar whole food rather than just a junk prezel or crisps instead.

4691IrradiatedHaggis · 23/08/2017 17:56

Let's ban eating all food in public places in case someone's allergic.

Read. The. THREAD!! FFS.

Will say slowly. Plane high up in sky. No way of escape. Hundreds of miles from help. No medical access. People in public places. Can get out of there and immediate help. Things called ambulances that shout "nee naw, nee naw" and get you to those buildings called hospitals with nice doctors and nurses there.

Fresh8008 · 23/08/2017 18:03

I dont think anyone wants to risk the life of someone with a nut allergy. However a lot of people want evidence before we advance the culture of 'ban anything that anyone thinks is dangerous based on nothing but anecdotes'.

It would be so easy for someone to do the experiment that proves 'airborne' nut dust causes an allergic reaction. And yet in 31 pages no one has been able to link to any study that shows it does. Why do you think that is? Remember the MMR-autisim scandal, should we have banned the jab based solely on anecdotes? Society does not advance based on ignorance and scaremongering.

Show some evidence and I suspect most people would be ok with a ban.

FYI I dont think anyone is denying airborne allergies, just that there is no evidence that 'nut dust' is one of them.

4691IrradiatedHaggis · 23/08/2017 18:06

It would be so easy for someone to do the experiment that proves 'airborne' nut dust causes an allergic reaction. And yet in 31 pages no one has been able to link to any study that shows it does. Why do you think that is

Whee, you're back again with "I haven't seen it happen therefore it doesn't exist."
You were spouting earlier in the thread airborne allergies are a myth. I suffer from one. Explain how my eyes swell up and weld themselves shut if you were to start frying an egg in the same room as me then?

AudacityJones · 23/08/2017 18:07

I totally love nuts and eggs. But I cannot imagine being so self absorbed that I'd insist on my right to eat them over someone else's right to fly FFS without worrying for their life. Gah.

I do often pack my own snacks and meals and often don't realise what is in them. So if someone had a severe allergy I'd probably need several announcements before the exact meaning of that sank in. (Sorry, frequent flyer and do tend to tune out announcements often). My new BIL has an egg allergy and it's been a bit of an adjustment for us all - obviously we try our best and I've even gotten good at making eggless meringues etc, but a lifetime of casually brushing things with an egg wash etc is proving hard to undo!

sparks0 · 23/08/2017 18:15

Yes- they should be banned. I don't suffer from the allergy or know anyone who does but I make sure that I don't take them onboard and I ask people travelling with me not to. I can't understand what the big deal about banning them is. Personally, I'm surprised they haven't been banned already. It's selfish / cruel of people wanting to take them onboard if it can put someone else's health/ life at risk. Not everyone is even aware that they have this allergy. They should be banned.

Fresh8008 · 23/08/2017 18:16

Whee, you're back again with "I haven't seen it happen therefore it doesn't exist." No I am saying where is the EVIDENCE, it has nothing to do with whether or not I personally see it.

You were spouting earlier in the thread airborne allergies are a myth.
Again, NO, I never said that, I said airborne nut allergies are a myth because no one has proved it is otherwise.

Explain how my eyes swell up and weld themselves shut if you were to start frying an egg in the same room as me then? I am only commenting on nut dust, not commenting on eggs. Are you denying it would be easy to prove? Why has no one bothered to do that experiment?

4691IrradiatedHaggis · 23/08/2017 18:37

I am only commenting on nut dust, not commenting on eggs.

People are giving you first hand experiences of airborne allergies, and you're saying "doesn't happen, it's a myth because "Dr Google" isn't giving any links.
What about the 18 month old baby upthread who suddenly started reacting to her Dad eating a peanut bar next to her? So not eating it herself. Was she putting it on?
Airborne allergies clearly do exist.

BeALert · 23/08/2017 18:41

www.aaaai.org/ask-the-expert/peanut-air-travel

Including this:

J Allergy Clin Immunol. 1999 Jul;104(1):186-9.
Self-reported allergic reactions to peanut on commercial airliners.
Sicherer SH, Furlong TJ, DeSimone J, Sampson HA.

Source
Division of Pediatric Allergy/Immunology, Department of Pediatrics, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York, USA.
Abstract

Background: Allergic reactions to food occurring on commercial airlines have not been systematically characterized.

Objective: We sought to describe the clinical characteristics of allergic reactions to peanuts on airplanes.

Methods: Participants in the National Registry of Peanut and Tree Nut Allergy who indicated an allergic reaction while on a commercial airliner were interviewed by telephone.

Results: Sixty-two of 3704 National Registry of Peanut and Tree Nut Allergy participants indicated a reaction on an airplane; 42 of 48 patients or parental surrogates contacted confirmed the reaction began on the airplane (median age of affected subject, 2 years; range, 6 months to 50 years). Of these, 35 reacted to peanuts (4 were uncertain of exposure) and 7 to tree nuts, although 3 of these 7 reacted to substances that may have also contained peanut. Exposures occurred by ingestion (20 subjects), skin contact (8 subjects), and inhalation (14 subjects). Reactions generally occurred within 10 minutes of exposure (32 of 42 subjects), and reaction severity correlated with exposure route (ingestion > inhalation > skin). The causal food was generally served by the airline (37 of 42 subjects). Medications were given in flight to 19 patients (epinephrine to 5) and to an additional 14 at landing/gate return (including epinephrine to 1 and intravenous medication to 2), totaling 79% treated. Flight crews were notified in 33% of reactions. During inhalation reactions as a result of peanut allergy, greater than 25 passengers were estimated to be eating peanuts at the time of the reaction. Initial symptoms generally involved the upper airway, with progression to the skin or further lower respiratory reactions (no gastrointestinal symptoms).

Conclusions: Allergic reactions to peanuts and tree nuts caused by accidental ingestion, skin contact, or inhalation occur during commercial flights, but airline personnel are usually not notified. Reactions can be severe, requiring medications, including epinephrine.

Ta1kinPeece · 23/08/2017 19:37

Conclusions: Allergic reactions to peanuts and tree nuts caused by accidental ingestion, skin contact, or inhalation occur during commercial flights, but airline personnel are usually not notified. Reactions can be severe, requiring medications, including epinephrine.

So nothing severe enough to need a flight diverted or the crew to be notified to find a doctor on board .....
ie a lower risk than DVT, heart attack or unexpected labour

there is no evidence to support a ban
and the understanding of many posters about how airliners/ crew / food containers move around
let alone the number of people who take their own food onto planes is very limited

4691IrradiatedHaggis · 23/08/2017 19:48

So nothing severe enough to need a flight diverted or the crew to be notified to find a doctor on board .....

Nothing severe enough? That's alright then. Hmm Farkin' 'ell.
What would it take for you to warrant a ban? An actual death?
Words fail.
Reactions present differently each time. It could be non fatal one time, and then cause death the next time you're exposed.
Long as you have your nuts though, eh. Fucks sake.