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Smoking - images on cigarette packets

42 replies

ripples101 · 19/08/2017 18:11

Posting here for traffic really, but it does have an element of AIBU about it.

It's about smoking. A disgusting habit, and I say that as a smoker. It smells, it is unpleasant, it is horrible to be around (even though I smoke, I can't stand being around other people who smoke (I know, I'm hypocritical, and I will freely admit that). It is clearly bad for your health, and it stains Teeth, clothes, seeps into things, lingers, it's a thoroughly disgusting habit to have. I'm writing that, and simply writing these truths is kind of like a "cleansing" for me - these are the things that want me to give this horrible habit up. I know it's bad for my health, but I'm kinda finding more value in it being a socially unacceptable habit that is helping me give it up as opposed to trying to give up purely for the benefit of my own health. If that makes sense!

Anyway, on to my AIBU. I bought a packet of fags today. They now all look the same, but you don't know which picture you're going to get on the packet until you buy a packet. And the pictures are horrible, intentionally so, trying to give people to give up. But the picture on the pack I bought today was of a man, curled up on a bed, his head in (one of) his hands. The caption above the photo was "smoking increases the risk of impotence"

Now, forgive me, but this is clearly a "stock" photo - a posed photo - the man in the picture is obviously a model, his body is fit, muscly, healthy. It is a posed picture for the benefit of the message on this particular packet.

Which made me think. Some packets have pictures of toes that are missing (lost as a result of smoking due to decreased circulation). A horrible picture of a man with a huge tumour on his throat (implying throat cancer as a result of smoking). A picture of a glazed eyeball (lost sight ) as a result of smoking. A picture of rotten teeth (as a result of smoking).

Are these all "stock" photos, or "posed" photos? Are the pictures we are seeing on cigarette packets truly of people/individuals who have suffered as a result of smoking? Or are they just "stock/posed" photos? The impotence picture on the packet I have in front of me is clearly a posed photo. So what about the rest of these photos?

If they are "stock" or "posed" photos, then, why? If the effects of smoking are so bad, which is something I think we can all agree on, then why not show actual people who have suffered horrendously because of smoking as opposed to photos that are in want of a better word, manipulated through captions? The photo of the male model on my current pack actually has had the opposite affect on me - a clearly fit, healthy male, posing in order to try and portray a scenario that is a potential outcome of smoking. I'm not suggesting that the pic should be of a flacid willy (!!!!), but that it is so obviously posed has resulted in that photo having no affect on me at all.

Ok, and breathe!!!! Just wanting to hear your thoughts on this particular thought that I had today :D

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ripples101 · 19/08/2017 18:14

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Macsmurray · 19/08/2017 18:16

So you’d rather a photo of a flaccid penis on the pack? I guess they have to draw the line somewhere

ripples101 · 19/08/2017 18:18

lol Macsmurray

I actually did say in my post that "I'm not suggesting that the pic should be of a "flaccid willy".

I guess you didn't read that far!!!!

But well done on completely missing the point of my post.

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NC4now · 19/08/2017 18:22

I'm a recently ex smoker. Those pictures had absolutely no bearing on my decision to quit.
I'm not sure I really get your OP.
Do you mean you'd prefer actual smoking case studies, e.g. John, 45, lost his marriage after smoking made him impotent? With a picture of John looking sad and lonely.

Gottagetmoving · 19/08/2017 18:26

I didn't think anyone who smokes actually looks at the pictures on the packet.
I think it would only put casual smokers off. Addicts wouldn't take notice

Miserylovescompany2 · 19/08/2017 18:27

They are just images to shock - mostly staged! the supposedly dead blue coloured bloke poking out the body bag is my favourite

Do they shock? Em, nope!

SpitefulMidLifeAnimal · 19/08/2017 18:29

The pictures really are silly aren't they? There's the fag ash foetus in the ashtray and the woman with the cig right in the kid's face. Isn't there one of a young child with some sort of dummy/cigarette hybrid too?

No, the only way these new packs put me off smoking is when I've been given the wrong pack at the corner shop because they all look the bloody same.

ripples101 · 19/08/2017 18:29

I guess I do mean that NC4now.

I am just wondering if the pictures of lost toes, throat cancer, etc are of actual people who had suffered as a result of smoking. Or are they just "stock" photos that are used just for shock effect.

My point is rather more of a question. Does any one know if the pics of the tumour on the man's throat, or the picture of the lost toes, is of a person who suffered such health problems as a result of smoking, or if they actually are, just "stock" photos?

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MissionItsPossible · 19/08/2017 18:32

There was a story quite recently in the news about a woman who was suing (or attempting to sue) the tobacco industry because she was claiming one of the photos was of her dad and they had taken a photo of him on his deathbed without permission. They argued back saying the man in the photo was 100% not her father but she refused to believe it. Don't know how that case turned out, or if her father (if it is him) was a smoker or not.

AlmostAJillSandwich · 19/08/2017 18:34

My mum died because of smoking, no way id give permission for pics of her in distress to be plastered all over fag packets. I presume not many other families would either, hence the staging.

carefreeeee · 19/08/2017 18:34

How would anyone know what it was a result of? A friend of mine died of lung cancer aged 40 and had never smoked. If she had smoked, it wouldn't have been possible to prove smoking caused the cancer. Impotence could be caused by anything as well. The best you could say was 'this person lost their toes and happened to be a smoker'.

I think the pictures are disgusting. I don'y think they should put them on.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 19/08/2017 18:34

Most smokers I know decant their tobacco into tins so not sure if they take much notice of the pictures

PaintingOwls · 19/08/2017 18:36

Why does it matter?

We know, from NHS data, the rate and affects of smoking. I imagine it was easier and cheaper to use stock photos instead of trying to find a patient with symptoms or damage severe enough, from the kinds they needed to depict, to be eligible for use for the packets.

I presume that if they did that, you would be posting about wasting money on real photography instead of treatment

Babyroobs · 19/08/2017 18:37

I've certainly seen a lot of terrible head and neck tumours ( nearly always smokers) in my 30 years in Oncology? palliative care nursing so I can see how they could be real photos. I guess they would need to get the person's permission to use them though ?

AlmostAJillSandwich · 19/08/2017 18:39

Carefree they can deterimine cancer to be caused by smoking via biopsy. My mum was categorically told her lung cancer was smoking related and it developed 9 or 10 years after she quit. (Was very advanced when found and diagnosed as having it for beteeen 12 and 24 months prior to discovery)

User843022 · 19/08/2017 18:41

No idea if real or actors but I think it's a terrible idea and I'm not a smoker.

Let's put pictures of fat people on packets of cakes, or jaundiced people in end stage liver failure on bottles of wine if shock images are of any benefit.

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 19/08/2017 18:42

I've always thought they are aimed more at young children/teenagers who don't actually smoke. The hope is they will see the pictures and think "that's awful, I never want to smoke".

Elledouble · 19/08/2017 18:48

Definitely posed. Have you seen the one with a pallid man lying down by a radiator and an anguished looking woman holding him? Hilariously bad.

The throat cancer one I've never believed. The man's moustache is too revolting to think he really posed for it knowing it was going to be out there for all to see.

DontCallMeCharlotte · 19/08/2017 18:52

We find the Nigel Farage one quite funny. I used to work in a shop and one customer couldn't bear the neck tumour one and would ask for the "sunbed" one until we reminded him it was a mortuary. I think some of them look like scenes from a 1980s Eastern European soap opera. And then there's the tracheotomy one which looks vaguely pornograpic. We think it means to say "Smoking's for arseholes".

serialtester · 19/08/2017 18:54

I think they're just replacing the old cigarette cards.

brayd · 19/08/2017 19:00

I briefly remember reading about the photo of the baby with a dummy and cigarette in its mouth, apparently the photo was taken from the mums Facebook without consent

ripples101 · 19/08/2017 19:02

Painting Owls

It doesn't really matter. Which to be fair really should mean that I shouldn't have posted it here :)

You presume incorrectly though.

Elledouble, I haven't seen that one.

DontCallMeCharlotte

The neck tumour one always bugged me. And I have to laugh at your comment about the tracheotomy one. :D

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brayd · 19/08/2017 19:05

Hmmm can't find anything online & cant remember where I saw it so may not be true!

BrandNewHouse · 19/08/2017 19:15

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ChocolateRaisin09 · 19/08/2017 19:22

Of course a young "fit" looking man can be impotent!

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