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To think the comparisons between nurses and footballers pay are bogus!

109 replies

BoysofMelody · 14/08/2017 16:15

We have a visitor staying with us and I watching Match of the Day. After that tutting, she asked how much the players were paid? I said there was a huge range, but the average was about £40,000 a week. But the best paid earned over £250,000 a week.

Which was the cue for a moan I've heard many times before of: 'that's disgusting, do you know how many nurses that would pay for' ?

I couldn't be arsed arguing the toss and didn't want to spark a row, but it's such a bogus comparison, if footballers were paid directly from the same NHS budget as nurses they may have a point,but they aren't. If Premier League players had their salaries cut in half, it wouldn't result in a single extra nurse being employed or a single existing nurse getting a single extra penny.

Yes footballers are lavishly well paid, but they aren't paid from the public purse and are paid what the market will stand, at that very top level, those with rare skills are in demand from wealthy business across the world.

And why only footballers and nurses? No one seems to get their knickers in such a twist over the similarly lavish rewards for Formula One Drivers, Tennis and Golf players earn or pontificate on how many teachers could be employed on the basis of Rory McIlroy's earnings, or even other aspects of the entertainment industry? Why do people not get her up by how many social workers could be employed on what Daniel Craig was paid for the last Bond film?

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toffee1000 · 14/08/2017 16:20

It's not to do with being paid from the public purse. It's to do with how much they get compared to how much work they do. Footballers kick a ball around for ninety minutes, nurses are frequently involved in saving someone's life or at least giving vital help. Simplifying here, but that's the gist. We don't really need footballers or Formula One drivers or actors, but we do need nurses.

araiwa · 14/08/2017 16:21

They lack wit and imagination

ImperialBlether · 14/08/2017 16:21

Yes, of course, but the NHS does not pay for footballers! I could see the argument if they were comparing doctors' and nurses' pay.

VestalVirgin · 14/08/2017 16:29

No one seems to get their knickers in such a twist over the similarly lavish rewards for Formula One Drivers, Tennis and Golf players earn or pontificate on how many teachers could be employed on the basis of Rory McIlroy's earnings

That's because more people watch football. I surely think that all those dudes in the entertainment industry are hugely overpaid.

More annoyed about governments spending money to save banks that overpay their managers, as that's actually taxpayer money, but the argument is still valid.

Oh, and the police that is necessary at football games is paid for by the taxes. I'm all for changing that. Especially as in Germany, we don't have enough police, anyway.

huggyhuns · 14/08/2017 16:32

YANBU. I hate people who make these arguments.

I do think footballers are over-paid but it's not public money.
As long as idiots are willing to pay exorbitant prices to sit and watch 22 men kick a ball around a field for a couple of hours each week, then the clubs will keep paying footballers ridiculous wages.

PNGirl · 14/08/2017 16:34

I'd rather the cash generated by football went to the players than into the pockets of the Mike Ashleys of the world tbh.

BoysofMelody · 14/08/2017 16:35

Oh, and the police that is necessary at football games is paid for by the taxes

The clubs pay for match day policing.

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Alittlepotofrosie · 14/08/2017 16:36

I agree with her. Footballers wages are absolutely obscene.

Hont1986 · 14/08/2017 16:40

Footballer's wages are obscenely high but then imho so are a lot of business consultants and CEOs and bankers, etc etc. The market sees fit to pay them that much though so what can we do.

BoysofMelody · 14/08/2017 16:40

I agree with her. Footballers wages are absolutely obscene

So what's that relate to nurses' wages? How much more would nurses be paid if top-level footballers were paid 40k a year not 40k a week?

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IfyouseeRitaMoreno · 14/08/2017 16:41

Yes, of course, but the NHS does not pay for footballers!

That's kind of missing the point though. When people complain about the pay disparity what they're really saying is ...

"What kind of fucked up society do we live in when someone who kicks a ball around for a few hours a day gets paid more than he could ever possibly need whilst someone who is literally saving lives and contributing to society in a meaningful way barely gets paid enough to support her family."

It's a criticism of the inequities of capitalism that's all.

Kursk · 14/08/2017 16:43

Footballers and entertainers are paid a lot for minimal risk. However that's the nature of the business, supply and demand.

I can see from a socialist point of view the entertainment service that these people provide is not worth more than a nurse.

busyboysmum · 14/08/2017 16:43

The footballers are paid obscene wages funded by the general public through their payment to sky tv, and the fans through ludicrously expensive costs of seating.

shivermytimbers · 14/08/2017 16:43

What Ifyouseerita said

Kursk · 14/08/2017 16:45

BoysofMelody

Nurses wouldn't be paid more Everyone would "feel better" because they would be more equal. Wink

Laiste · 14/08/2017 16:46

I see it from the point of view of someone trying to explain to an alien from another planet that these men get paid thousands a week and people saving lives get paid a tiny fraction of that.

It is madness. It's society in general which is fucked up. I think that's the broader view and that's what is crystallising suddenly in peoples minds when they see the comparison.

IMO.

MothQuandary · 14/08/2017 16:47

You are being obtuse. The argument is not that we should cut the footballers' wages to pay for nurses, as well you know! The point your visitor is making is that our society values footballers (as reflected in their pay) far, far higher than it values nurses. If you don't think that's disgraceful, I think you have a screw loose. Or you are a WAG.

The fact that ordinary fans are charged an absolute fortune to see their local team is also a disgrace, and is partly why I am pleased to support a non-league side, but that isn't related to nurses.

Hont1986 · 14/08/2017 16:48

ITT: people who think socialism means everyone gets paid the same amount.

BoysofMelody · 14/08/2017 16:48

It's a criticism of the inequities of capitalism that's all.

I don't disagree we live in a grossly unequal society, but I do find it interesting that footballers are highlighted as the most egregious example of this, given that they by and large come from working class backgrounds and a large number from BAME backgrounds, have dedicated their childhood and youth to training, are required to keep themselves in peak physical condition and are absurdly, abundantly talented at the most popular sport in the world which millions play and have beaten almost impossible odds to make it to the top of the tree.

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TriskelArts · 14/08/2017 16:49

I don't think you understand the point this person was (presumably) making, which doesn't, I imagine, arise from any misapprehension about the NHS budget somehow suffering from the existence of top flight premier league footballers -- which was just that, if a free market economy generally results in people being paid according to what our society thinks their roles are 'worth', then we've got a fairly skewed idea of relative value.

And yes, people can, and frequently do, make a similar argument for film stars/bankers etc. Presumably it just seems to many people more obviously obscene when insane sums are being thrown about in the media during the transfer windows, and when you think about how little 'work' a PL footballer does for his salary -- about two to three hours a day training, and one or two matches a week during the season.

Believeitornot · 14/08/2017 16:49

It's an argument about the value that society and the market places overall on individuals for their talents.

It demonstrates that as a society, we are happy to accept that nurses should be paid low wages, with the excuse that it's "public money", while it's ok for footballers to earn shit loads because it's what the "market" wants Hmm whatever that means.

It allows people to shy away from the valid question of whether or not we pay certain professions enough money.

I don't think we do. Footballers are overpaid. End of story. Even if nurses were paid more, I'd still say footballers are overpaid.

VeniVidiWeeWee · 14/08/2017 16:50

Boysof

They don't pay anywhere near the actual cost.

www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/28456/pay-police-football-match-day/

TriskelArts · 14/08/2017 16:50

X-posts with various people.

HunterHearstHelmsley · 14/08/2017 16:51

I always think people who make this argument aren't very bright. It a just something to say.

Believeitornot · 14/08/2017 16:53

are required to keep themselves in peak physical condition and are absurdly, abundantly talented at the most popular sport in the world which millions play and have beaten almost impossible odds to make it to the top of the tree

Footballers are not the fittest sports people in the world, and I don't think they're generally from "poor" backgrounds Hmm certainly not in this country anyway Hmm it costs time and money to keep a child in football training.

It's a broader question of what the market values. You're just buying the argument that they're worth it.