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To not know how to deal with DS' behaviour post-split?

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CarrieMayBe · 13/08/2017 08:38

Split with EXH at Christmas, he had an affair and left me. Total shock for our children, they had no idea it was coming, he literally sat them down and told him he was leaving. DCs are 9 and 7.

DD(9) was hysterical, full on screaming, begging him to stay etc. Has struggled to deal with it at times since but always opens up to me and talks it through, we have spent hours and hours talking and it definitely helps her even though I have no answers really to her questions but I try.

DS(7) was initially upset but soon got over it, I knew at the time it was far too quick and that he wasn't really processing it. He's much quieter than DD but I know it's all ticking away inside his head. He does talk about stuff but not for long and nowhere near as deeply as DD does.

Anyway, they're in a good routine of seeing Ex, they stay with him 3 nights out of 14 and have a close relationship with him. Always happy to go to his, happy when they come back mainly although DS started playing up a bit when they came home about 2 months ago. Nothing major, just being clingy at bedtime and would want to have me to himself for a bit, sometimes engineering an argument with his sister to get attention etc. As soon as I became aware that this was what he was doing I tried to accommodate his needs and would head it off before it began by having some time alone with him so he didn't feel the need to create a situation just to get me alone. All going reasonably well at this point.

On Monday, I had to tell the children that the marital home (which we are still living in) is going to have to be sold. We've only been here just over a year and it was a big deal to them moving here in the first place as they'd always lived in the same house until that point and didn't want to move. But, they settled well and love it here. We have an enormous garden and they spend all their time out there climbing trees and building dens. Wherever we end up moving to won't have anything like they have here and they know that. DD did her usual, major dramatics and hysterics (3hr long meltdown, threatening never to see Ex ever again because she thinks it's all his fault) but got it all out of her system and has been quite pragmatic about it. She has spent a lot of time talking to me about her worries and is dealing with it ok. DS on the other hand, cried then went outside and kicked everything in sight. He has been so angry ever since, his anger has been increasing lately anyway - mainly in his reactions to petty arguments with his sister, he will quickly go from nothing to crying with rage - but this week it has gone off the scale.

Yesterday, it culminated in the mother of all meltdowns. As usual, it started with a petty argument over which of them were going to tidy away the toys they had both been playing with. DS felt he should only put away the toys he had actually got off the shelf, regardless of whether or not he had played with them. I didn't agree with this, he wasn't budging though. He refused to come out of the room he was in to do so, repeatedly telling me 'no'. I did eventually get him to go to his room to calm down, he was already very angry at this point. Once I'd left him for a while I went in to see him and calmly explained that he needed to come and help tidy up. Again, he refused but was crying and shouting at me so I removed his iPod and told him he could have it back when he'd tidied up.

This was like a red rag to a bull and all hell broke loose. I tried not to engage, just repeated that he could have it back when he'd done as I asked. It just escalated from there, he was beside himself and I've never seen him like he was. He was red in the face, tears just streaming out of his eyes without any sobbing as such, just pure rage. He did somehow manage to tidy up amidst much shouting that he hates his life and everybody in it. DD was crying by this point too as she was so shocked by what was happening.

At one point I grabbed him and sat him on my lap and tried to just cuddle him in close whilst calmly telling him it was ok, I was there and I would hold him and help him calm down but he was screaming that I was hurting him - I definitely wasn't, I loosened my grip and was barely making contact - and he got away. I was crying too by this point as his behaviour scared me, he was hitting out at me and I didn't know how to handle it. He managed to grab his iPod out of my pocket and ran off to his room with it.

I rang my best friend just to ask for advice and she talked me through and calmed me down. I went to talk to DS and explained how this can't continue, look at what it had escalated into and that it wasn't acceptable. I didn't remove his iPod as I knew it would kick off again so calmly told him if he gave it to me then he could have it back after 24hrs. If I had to take it from him then he would lose it for a week. He ranted about it but eventually handed it over.

I then had to try and get some food into him as they were being picked up shortly by ex to stay at his for the night. DS didn't really want to eat but picked at it, I sat down next to him and spoke to him about what had happened and he totally broke down. He said how he likes going to his dad's but wants me to go there with him too. He wants us to get back together, he hates having 2 houses...all the usual stuff. He desperately doesn't want to move. It's like everything he has been feeling for the past 8 months is now coming out and I don't know how to deal with it

Ex told me on Weds that he would speak to the children about the house move when they went to his that night. He didn't do it, claiming they were fine and happy at his and didn't want to upset them. I can't help feeling that his refusal to broach the issue (and he's done this before, when DD was struggling after he left he promised to talk to her but didn't bother), is down to feeling guilty that he has caused this and I'm certain it's because he can't deal with seeing them upset. He is extremely emotionally stunted himself so it's no surprise to me.

However, I feel that by him ignoring what's going on in their lives it's like he's separating their two worlds even further. Like 'you're upset at home but here you're ok' kind of thing? He's invalidating their feelings by ignoring the fact he knows they're upset about something - they know he knows - yet doesn't even mention it. Neither DC like talking to him about things, I don't really know why though.

I just don't know how to help my children through this. They've gone from happy, easy going children to, quite frankly, pretty fucked up children. I'm scared for them and for myself too as I don't feel confident enough in my parenting abilities to know the best way of dealing with this. Things are so acrimonious between ex and I, mostly due to difficulties with the divorce, and I feel he's just watching me and waiting to take the children off me. He has levelled all sorts at me about my capability to parent, all of which is bollocks, but it's at the back of my mind constantly when trying to deal with their behaviour.

There is an excellent family support worker at their school who has offered to get involved but neither child will agree to see her. They say they don't want to speak about it to anyone - I've tried and tried. They both know that I've been having therapy since the start of all this and that it helps me to talk it through with someone but even so, it's a firm no from them. I feel I have no choice though and will need one get her involved when they go back in September.

Please help me find a way through this, they are back from their dad's this evening and I want to start from today. I told DS before he left that tonight would be a fresh start with no repercussions from yesterday. I need to find a way where I don't give in to him but it cannot escalate like it did yesterday, it was insane and if I had neighbours then I'm certain SS would be on my doorstep tomorrow morning!

Sorry it's so long. Didn't want to drip feed.

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CarrieMayBe · 13/08/2017 17:52

Of course I haven't said they will have a say in which house I choose. What I meant was, when I have found a house they can come and view it on the 2nd viewing...much the same as when we bought this house.

I am acutely aware that a lot of their difficulties stem from being powerless and having no control over what is happening. It's all happening to them and they can do nothing about it. Blimey, I feel exactly the same at times and find it hard enough as an adult, whatever it must be like for them has to be so much harder. I want to involve them as much as possible and for them to feel they are involved but without giving them the final say in matters, obviously.

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Brittbugs80 · 13/08/2017 18:01

How come the Court have ordered the house to be sold? When my friends parents divorced, her 14 year old brother was still at home (last year) and Court ordered that the house couldn't be sold until he turned 18.

What has your Solicitor advised about the house?

Motherbear26 · 13/08/2017 18:28

Just want to reiterate what pp's have said, you are doing an amazing job in very difficult circumstances. Ignore your ex, it is completely natural for dc's to act out more for the resident parent. I know it doesn't seem like it, but it really is a compliment of sorts as it means they feel safe with you and know they can push the boundaries and explore their feelings with you and you won't reject them. They obviously don't feel as comfortable with dh. Although if he were to have significantly more contact, he may experience more of the anger. Just a thought.Wink

I won't get into badmouthing your ex (although he's hardly covering himself in glory) but please do ensure your solicitor is at least as good as the one he is using. It will be money well spent to ensure you get the best deal for yourself and your dc. Like pp's I am concerned that you are not being allowed to remain in the home and I think you should seek clarification on that matter. The only other situation I have heard of where a divorced mother and her dc were compelled to leave the family home was when the exh agreed to forfeit all equity in the home. The judge agreed but said there must be a sale so that the actual figure could be ascertained. It sounds as though you don't wish to remain there anyway but please ensure you get your fair share, especially as he can't be relied upon to pay maintenance.

Keep your head up, keep doing what you're doing with the dc and good luck. I hope everything works out for you. Flowers

Sugarcoma · 13/08/2017 19:04

FlowersFlowersFlowers sorry don't have much to add but wanted to say I think you're doing an amazing job and I'm sorry you and your kids are going through this. Your ex sounds like a complete dick.

CarrieMayBe · 13/08/2017 20:22

Thanks everyone, I do have a good solicitor and I know what I'm doing. I'm not being forced out of the home, if I stay then I will be perpetually skint as it's too expensive to live here. Even if ex carried on paying the mortgage, the bills alone are crippling me.

If he buys me out, he cannot raise enough to allow me to buy another house within school catchment area. There is enough equity in the house for me to be able to buy outright if the house is sold. It hasn't been court ordered, we haven't reached court yet.

It makes sense to sell up, I know it's upsetting the children but they will be ok. From a purely selfish point of view, this house has so many bad memories for me. He started his affair just a few weeks after we moved in, I did the entire move by myself (packing, actual moving as he refused to pay for a removals firm, unpacking) and redecorated the whole house to make it the beautiful home it now is. All the while he was shagging her.

I'd far rather start afresh if I'm honest.

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cestlavielife · 14/08/2017 11:32

What is the time frame for selling and moving?
If you need to go to court etc could take months ?
If it's going to take a while then maybe tell dc it isn't something they need to think about for some.time so.thay can just enjoy the garden now without worrying.

If you get a good family therapist you can run things. By them before speaking to the dc. Also family therapists are good at getting f2f to express their concerns but thru different techniques. E.g. my dds first were asked to.draw a family tree.

Asking about their home school.friends hobbies... maybe the biggest worry is losing that climbing tree.. but you can offer something else and acknowledge the loss.

So some.of that helped me see that while.their dad was out of my life he was still a part of theirs in.a big way and part of their identity.

And loads of.other things the therapist did.. .he didn't go in and ask.how they felt directly but used great techniques.

cestlavielife · 14/08/2017 11:32

Getting dc to.express.their concerns and worries....

CarrieMayBe · 14/08/2017 17:50

I have no idea of time frames at the moment, it's one of the things I struggle with the most because it could take a few months, it could take 2yrs if it goes to court.

Now he's agreed to sell the house it needs to go on the market asap, which is why I told the children as don't want them suddenly seeing a for sale sign out the front.

Family therapy sounds very good, I will look into arranging for some. We certainly all need it.

Today has been a much better day, DS has been calm and there haven't been any arguments or meltdowns. Well, not from them anyway. I got the child maintenance calculation through today, he has put his gross earnings down as £15,000. This, a man whose business turns over well over a million per year, his profits last year weren't far off £100k, its absolute rubbish to claim his income is so low 😡

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DailyMailReadersAreThick · 14/08/2017 17:59

I've read all your posts OP but not all the replies - has anyone said be careful what you say to your ex? You seem to be confiding in him way too much and all it's doing is giving him a stick to beat you with (also ammunition for court). Keep it businesslike with him, on a need-to-know basis.

CarrieMayBe · 14/08/2017 18:05

You're right, and my solicitor gave me a major telling off about it last week after I discussed finances with him in an attempt to resolve some of this. I learned a valuable lesson there.

But, I do feel I need to keep him up to date regarding the children and their behaviour. Although I'm starting to learn that's pointless too!

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