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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

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To think maybe the cyclist was in the wrong...

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PinkSnowAndStars · 08/08/2017 15:27

Someone I know through work posted this video on Facebook of him being cut up by a car. I've watched it... and I actually think the cyclist is in the wrong. The roundabout splits into 3, he's in the very clearly lined left lane, yet wants to go straight over...

Opinions please!! I genuinely watched it thinking the car driver would be in the wrong!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=sAeK45NjF4E&feature=share

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khajiit13 · 08/08/2017 19:32

The car wasn't indicating. It's even more clear when you watch if from the rear camera.

Landsendmum · 08/08/2017 19:36

khajiit13

Yes it is, if you look from about 7 seconds into the video you should be able to see the rear indicator flashing.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 08/08/2017 19:37

That is the light glinting off a drop of rain on the camera. Are you watching on a mobile by any chance?

lljkk · 08/08/2017 19:41

I can't see any indicator lights.
It's also a terrible RAB for cyclists, I'd probably screw it up on first approach too (as a cyclist).
I'm picking splinters out of my arse on this one.
They both could have prevented that near-miss, is bottom line.
I can see why the cyclist thought driver was going straight, & why driver thought cyclist must be turning & why cyclist couldn't actually get out into the lane that cyclist wanted - not easily. They BOTH could have prevented the near-miss.
Glad no one hurt.

khajiit13 · 08/08/2017 19:44

I have watched. It's the brake light. Watch from 00:23, you can easily see there is no flashing indicator.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 08/08/2017 19:47

The cars also have an indicator light on the wing mirrors. No flashing that I can see...

Agree it's a horrid roundabout. It's also one where you probably want to maintain your speed if possible, which might be why the cyclist didn't slow and pull in behind. (It is much safer for a cyclist to keep momentum up going into a roundabout, particularly a largish one like this.)

lljkk · 08/08/2017 19:51

b/c driver was effectively overtaking but did not complete overtake before arriving at RAB, they were trying to overtake on RAB... I wouldn't be surprised if that places driver more to blame for not letting cyclist get into correct lane.

FindoGask · 08/08/2017 20:17

That road set up reminds me of a junction near me in which the single lane, with cycle lane at the side, splits quite suddenly into a left hand lane for traffic turning left, and a right hand lane for traffic going straight ahead. It's in a 40 mph area. Maybe 50 metres from the junction, cyclists who want to go straight ahead have to merge from the cycle lane into the left hand land and then cross that lane into the right hand lane - uphill in busy 40 mph traffic. Funnily enough I don't go that way home any more.

supermoon100 · 08/08/2017 20:23

They are both in the wrong. But if I was that car driver there is no way I would have driven like that. He should have waited to see what the cyclist was up to.

AngeloftheSouth84 · 08/08/2017 20:36

If the car was in a lane with only one option (left turn) then he doesn't need to indicate.
Should still indicate, otherwise how are pedestrians supposed to know what the intentions are? What about other motorists on the roundabout? Drivers not indicating are lazy, entitled idiots.

NewPapaGuinea · 08/08/2017 20:38

Crap cycling, should have taken up a primary position much earlier to discourage the overtake and the car driver shouldn't have overtaken so close to the roundabout.

AngeloftheSouth84 · 08/08/2017 21:28

Trouble is, I believe cyclists are advised to cycle around roundabouts in the inside lane

regardless of which exit they are intending to use, (ie the lane around the outside of the roundabout), and motorists are supposed to expect this. In my opinion, if cyclists don't have the confidence to be in the correct lane, they should walk their bicycle around on the pavement.

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PinkSnowAndStars · 08/08/2017 21:28

i don't think I've ever come across a cyclist at a roundabout like this. It's certainly made me think though!

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MipMipMip · 08/08/2017 22:00

This one bugged me because, from what the OP said, the cyclist was being self righteous while still at least partly in the wrong. Always puts my back up in whatever situation and I imagine others here feel the same.

I don't cycle but I'm not anti cyclists, I actually quite like the idea of not killing one think of the paperwork! but I do wish people, drivers and cyclists, would admit that that they aren't perfect.

nocoolnamesleft · 08/08/2017 22:39

To me, it looks like the cycle was wrong in road positioning, and the car correct. However, being aware that some cyclists are utter fucking morons is necessary to avoid squashing one with a ton of metal. Which is something I would prefer to avoid doing...

inabeautifulplace · 08/08/2017 22:43

Neither covered in glory. Cyclist is in a position to take left or middle lanes approaching roundabout. Car overtakes in right lane then cuts into middle. At this point as a cyclist I'd be thinking aggressive driver and ease off for self protection. Similarly aggressive approach from cyclist almost causes the accident.

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PinkSnowAndStars · 08/08/2017 23:16

If I was the cyclist in that situation I don't think I'd of posted it on Facebook/YouTube.

That's why I had to ask for some unbiased opinions. I don't think the bike was completely in the right on this occasion.

Interestingly enough... no one has commented on his Facebook post with the link to the video.

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FindoGask · 09/08/2017 05:26

I'm not sure about the recent trend for cyclists posting up videos of bad driving. I'm a commuting cyclist (and driver) and I see as much dodgy cycling as I do driving every day. Even the videos where the driver is obviously in the wrong tend to divide opinion, as people who drive but don't cycle can sometimes struggle to see things from a cyclist's perspective. Eg I get very fast close passes every day and I'm sure most drivers don't even realise what they're doing.

Pannnn · 09/08/2017 06:25

Both in the wrong.

As are posters who take this opportunity to display their wankerish attitude toward people who ride bikes.

Fuzzynavel101 · 09/08/2017 16:05

As others say, there's responsibility on both parts really. The road markings are a bit unclear as is just 2 lanes for left and right on approach, and then splits into 3 just before roundabout, with middle lane unmarked.

In terms of the cyclist then their road positioning had a good chance of putting them in conflict, as with both lanes for left turning traffic, then he's going to have to cut across lane 2 in order to ride straight over and onto the cycle path exit. Difficult without knowing the road layout, but should really have been in lane 2 themselves, or at least in lane 1 and indicating right to cross lane 2 and exit. From cyclists perspective I think car comes alongside and he thinks is turning right, so doesn't anticipate it turning left

With the driver, was a pretty crappy overtake as shouldn't be overtaking on approach to roundabout, and would be better using more caution and watching what the cyclist is doing.

Does seem a bit odd putting up on youtube though as an example of 'dangerous driving' as it's not, and they put themselves in the situation that could have been avoided

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