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To want to shout at people who write Southern Ireland

349 replies

ParadiseCity · 08/08/2017 09:45

THERE IS NO SUCH FUCKING COUNTRY! And if you really were as clever as you pretend to be, you might just fucking know that. Arrrgghhh.

I feel a bit better for that. Please feel free to add your own Grin

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RebornSlippy · 08/08/2017 12:13

BoysofMelody, I've obviously hit a nerve. Your family history shows that you too have ishoos with the establishment.

In Irish terms, when I talk about the sins of the father, I mean the decision makers, the land owners, the gentry, the politicians and the monarchy. Those with the clout to cause irreparable damage and devestation to the little man. And I'm under no illusion that these fat cats got their own hands dirty. No, it was little man fucking over the other little man, neither of whom had choice, or indeed saw any personal benefit from the raping of a country. Actually, from your description, the little man in your country was being fucked over too. But then, I'm aware of some of your history as I find it interesting and am happy to learn.

So, while I accept I've hit a nerve, I feel you've directed something at me that doesn't belong to me. I'm with you.

None of us get to choose our nationality or our 'positions' in life. We do, however, for the most part, get to choose our opinions. However, opinion cannot be formed without education. I feel that it is very important that generations of English people be educated on the full extent of their history. Not just the good parts. Consider it a lesson learned perhaps?

As an Irish woman, I'm not immune. Ireland's history is blood soaked. Granted, most of this is a reaction to what those English 'fathers' did. However, I'm not proud of a lot of it. In fact, I'm ashamed at some of it. In saying that, I'd rather be educated and ashamed than ignorant and proud.

HashiAsLarry · 08/08/2017 12:24

My dm is from ROI, but I've grown up in England so she's lived here for far too long to mention a while. It such a thing to divide north and south here that when she's asked if she's from the north (in relation to her irishness) she's been caught responding 'no the south' before slapping herself internally and saying 'the republic'. Grin

LuLuuuuuuu · 08/08/2017 12:27

Fucking Hell OP don't blow a gasket

How rude . Not all of us would know and if you SHOUTED AT ME you would get it back tenfold . [Hmm]

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 08/08/2017 12:29

You didn't say "(government and officials)". And I don't know of such a policy on the UK side, and it is still used relatively frequently. Maybe not by politicians, but as it is a geographical term that is hardly surprising. The met office use it all the time.

tazzy73 · 08/08/2017 12:30

I'm Irish and come from Ireland, I have been asked when away what part, I'd then reply the republic.

I don't know anyone that uses the expression southern Ireland.

@ParadiseCity I'm with you on this, southern Ireland gets to me also Smile.

abigcupoffuckyou · 08/08/2017 12:34

but as it is a geographical term that is hardly surprising. The met office use it all the time

It's disputed as a geographical term. They can use it all they like, but its not acceptable to the country they are including in it. As I said, a very British attitude.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 08/08/2017 12:42

You can certainly get a sense of some people's attitudes on this thread that's for sure.

MuchasSmoochas · 08/08/2017 12:54

NI born and bred and I've never heard anyone say Southern Ireland, just The South. And I include Donegal in The South, yes I know it's batty. Was at school in the 80's and no Irish history was taught as part of the curriculum. At that time I think most schools steered clear.

ElfrideSwancourt · 08/08/2017 12:54

I'm from NI and have family 'over the border ' or 'down South'. We all regularly say up North or down South or Southern Ireland to differentiate from N Ireland. Yes Donegal is geographically north west, but that's just to confuse American tourists:)

ElfrideSwancourt · 08/08/2017 12:56

@MuchasSmoochas I was at school in NI in the 80s and wasn't taught any Irish history- agree completely that they avoided it because it was too difficult.

MuchasSmoochas · 08/08/2017 12:58

Yes Elfride can you imagine how difficult and emotionally charged it would have been, everyone was affected or knew someone who was.

alltouchedout · 08/08/2017 13:21

I stick to 'Northern Ireland' and 'Ireland', and if someone needed me to clarify what I meant by Ireland I would say 'the Republic of Ireland'. I never use Eire, Ulster, the six counties, Southern Ireland, the North, the South, etc, because all can be (although don't have to be) loaded terms. Although the terms I use probably also have the potential to cause offence, they are as neutral and accurate as possible (I hope).

I know no Irish history at all other than the most basic and minor points about the Easter Rising and the Great Famine, and I'm aware the history I have been taught regarding Northern Ireland has been totally and utterly biased. I have tried to overcome that by reading a variety of sources an adult, and for all I know it's much better taught in schools these days (although I somehow doubt it). My dad comes from a central Scottish family with a large Orange contingent and admits that even though despising their bigotry and hatred was a large part of the reason he has had no contact with almost all of them for most of his adult life, the crap his head was filled with as a youngster is very hard to completely eradicate. It's shit.

Aridane · 08/08/2017 13:32

Eire is fine if you also call Germany Deutschland etc

Grin
ThereIsIron · 08/08/2017 13:44

I still call it the Free State on occasion Hmm

RiversrunWoodville · 08/08/2017 13:46

7 I bet you are one of those rip off merchants who will argue that NI isn't part of the UK when trying to change a bloody fortune in postage too.

I would also say we are going down south on holiday and if someone says what part are you from it would be up north. I'm not one bit political though.

Firesuit · 08/08/2017 13:54

the Republic is officially just called Ireland

The only time I have been corrected in this context, by a very touchy Irish man, was to be told he was from "the REPUBLIC of Ireland", not Ireland, as I had just said.

34AQuid · 08/08/2017 14:01

British People do find it all a bit confusing, I think.

I'm a a Londoner with Irish parents, and growing up, even in the times of the Troubles and with it being on the news every day, I found the majority of people were confused about what it was all about and the difference between NI/Ireland/The North/The South etc.

If people ask where my parents are from 'in Ireland' I tell them the areas (Galway, Wexford or sometimes 'the SE and West'), but I often find what people are really asking is 'NI or the Republic?'.

To confuse the issue even more, my parents are staunch Republicans, so we grew up calling NI 'The North of Ireland' and never Northern Ireland Grin.

34AQuid · 08/08/2017 14:03

I did have fun trying to explain Derry/Londonderry to colleagues at woe recently, too Grin

34AQuid · 08/08/2017 14:03

work

Vonklump · 08/08/2017 14:12

Maybe you're being towed, Treacle. Look out of the window."
Grin
Did you check?

My English lessons in the eighties focussed on 16th century Britain. Helpfully I can tell you the fate of all Henry 8th's wives, in order. WW1 and 2, partition, the British Empire, Ireland......nope. Current affairs only came in as I left, and they didn't pick up on more recent history either.

Happily my children's education seems to be slightly more relevant.

I totally agree it is up to us to educate ourselves as adults though.

DeannaTroika · 08/08/2017 14:20

The only time I have been corrected in this context, by a very touchy Irish man, was to be told he was from "the REPUBLIC of Ireland", not Ireland, as I had just said

Well there are wrong people everywhere!

Glumglowworm · 08/08/2017 14:43

Hope I wasn't offending several Irish people recently by asking where in Ireland they were from Shock I was genuinely curious about whereabouts in Ireland as I've lived over there and travelled a bit around the republic.

sashh · 08/08/2017 15:02

THERE IS NO SUCH FUCKING COUNTRY! And if you really were as clever as you pretend to be, you might just fucking know that. Arrrgghhh.

Maybe because it follows the rules of English.

Seoul is the capital of South Korea but if you join North and South Korea together it is in the north geographically.

Scarborough is in North Yorkshire despite being on the east coast.

Parts of South Africa are further north than parts of other countries.

We tend to lump places together eg 'Asia' or 'Southern Africa'. In English it makes sense that if there is a place called 'North' there is a place called 'South' even if all or part of it are not actually in the North or south eg Northhampton, North London.

I'm in the midlands(of England, which is the south to my northern relatives), I'm not that far from Newcastle, but no where near the Tyne, I wouldn't clarify which Newcastle to a local, the same with Londonderry which is also local.

DeannaTroika · 08/08/2017 15:18

Maybe because it follows the rules of English

I don't agree that it does, but it doesn't matter either way, its still entirely wrong.

dustarr73 · 08/08/2017 15:20

I'm from Dublin and I've never, e we heard it being called Southern Ireland.That just sounds weird to me.

But if we go to Newry or Belfast we go " up North".