To want to shout at people who write Southern Ireland

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THERE IS NO SUCH FUCKING COUNTRY! And if you really were as clever as you pretend to be, you might just fucking know that. Arrrgghhh.

I feel a bit better for that. Please feel free to add your own

Someone who is British can also be English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish, if that makes sense

I think you'll find not everyone agrees with that.

Today 18:49 DeannaTroika

Someone who is British can also be English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish, if that makes sense

I think you'll find not everyone agrees with that.

I think you'll find that makes them pretty ignorant.

Someone who is British can also be English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish, if that makes sense

Don't you mean English, Northern England, Western English and English removed by sea?

I think you'll find that makes them pretty ignorant

A person from NI with an Irish passport is ignorant now? Nice

I had already clarified that people from NI can identify as British or Irish in the line above Deanna. I think you're unnecessarily nitpicking.

Oh well done. I am - obviously -talking about the population in general.

I am Scottish and European and, if I have absolutely have to declare the fact, English.

HTH

Corrected:

Oh well done. I am - obviously -talking about the population in general.

I am Scottish and European and, if I absolutely have to declare the fact, English.

HTH

I meant BRITISH!

curses

nina

@Nina

I just said to my partner "I never knew the Scottish identified as English" you had us both confused there for a minute

God forbid!!!!!

Ireland is about as real as America. If you don't mind people using America to describe the US/Canada then you're being a bitch about people referring to southern ireland.

Nina there is clearly an English person inside you busting to be recognised

I found that Freudian slip a bit scary, tbh. Jeez

nina it's ok to be English you know, if that's what's deep down in your soul, don't let anyone tell you that it's wrong

Generally it's English people who don't know anything about it and are too bloody rude to get the name of the nearest country to them right!

Both Wales and Scotland are closer to England than Ireland?

Irish DP will only refer to "Ireland"; "The Glorious Motherland" or sometimes "Mexico"

I have heard him frustratedly explaining to English colleagues that he's from "the Southern bit" when trying to get them to understand why he doesn't have a British passport but his colleague from Belfast does. I suspect this sort of thing is why the term "Southern Ireland" persists.

He refers to NI as "The North", or during July, "Bigotland"

Eire is its official name so I use that or Ireland; but I prefer to use Ireland to mean the island. NI is geographically part of Ireland and politcally part of the UK.

Eire is the official name in Irish. Ireland is the official name in English. No one in Ireland says Eire when speaking English, it immediately marks someone out as British IME.

I've never known anyone in Northern Ireland/the North/the six counties/Bigotland to use the term Eire either.

I mean I'm sure there is someone somewhere who does but I'd guess it's unusual.

@Andrewofgg Do you refer to Wales as Cymru?

PS I've similarly never heard an Irish person use Eire, except when impersonating a British person. The "Eire" ones are usually the same ones who say "Southern Ireland", think Ulster is Northern Ireland and think that the Troubles arose out of Irish religious bigotry.

A couple of my NI friends say the six counties but there is a tongue in cheek element to it. Saying Southern Ireland for the Republic is ignorant IMO - it's not like most people in Britain aren't aware of why Ireland is split.

HOWEVER. Reporting on the Troubles has never been exactly without bias in the British media so I think a fair amount of folk are not deeply aware of the nuances in the discourse surrounding NI and the Republic. It can be a bit confusing round the edges - I'm entitled to an Irish passport because my Granny was from Derry but then that's legally part of the UK.

I don't call Wales Cymru but then there are not two separate extents of territory both of which might be called Wales. I don't say "Southern Ireland"; I know that Ulster is not the same as NI, and I am not foolish enough to think that there is one and only one cause of the Troubles.

But nor do I call NI bigotland.

I've never known an Irish person to use Eire unless talking about the Gaelic name. I've only known English people my family use it in a derogatory manner