To think Gove has his uses?

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I know he was terrible in education. He seemed to despise teachers and never to go to them for answers.

But I understand he did better at prison reform.

And the announcement about cars is brilliant.

I am worried about myself now.

The car industry has bigger fish to fry than us. The accord is that cars won't have purely fossil fuelled engines but hybrids are OK. Any diesel or petrol engine with some electric or other combination is fine.
India has a deadline of 2030 I think.

That is fascinating Exploded.

I was a fairly active environmental campaigner at that time (campaigned the street for the climate change bill) but clearly was not very Comprehensive in my knowledge.!

People say he is intellectually clever but those of us teaching in elite universities see someone who struggles with critical analysis, who often doesn't actually make it to the end of a book having grasped the main points in any depth, and who can't critically evaluate the strength or relevance of different sources. His speeches are often poorly constructed and punctuated, he is unable to debate in public (instead he closes down arguments with aggression or trivial observations) and he struggles to hold two conflicting thoughts in his head at the same time. Personally I find it staggering he has an Oxbridge degree. He comes across as so dense for a professional.

That having been said I think he was doing some useful work in prison reform and it's a shame he has been pulled from that brief.

I also think we should be asking some very pointed questions as to which blokes know each other in the Garrick Club and why government policy is cooked up and implemented there, in a place where women are excluded. It's like the Masons. Gove is a member there and I susoect so are other key players who mystify us with their ascension,

"That having been said I think he was doing some useful work in prison reform and it's a shame he has been pulled from that brief."

See? Uses!

Gove's announcement about the cars is not really to do with him or any work that he has actually done-we have to do that anyway due to the contracts we've signed up to prior to him being in that role (so many other countries aren't doing the same as a result) that any MP that would have arrived in that post, would have made the same announcement...

An analogy would be Jade Goodie and smear tests.

he didn't understand what teaching is.He also didn't understand what words meant. This is the man that decided 'satisfactory' wasn't 'good enough' and that all schools should be better than average - whilst raising the standards required to reach those thresholds without putting in any extra resources. Now, no one likes to be told they're only 'satisfactory' at their job, but the clues in the word - you're satisfied with what their doing - could be better! but not bad.

And his new curriculum was terrible. He favoured the Singapore learn by rote method, even though even Singapore thought that this needed changing. in 2010 Labour were bringing in the new creative curriculum, as studies in countries with good education systems proved that children thrived and developed better this way. He threw that out, added extra testing, made it so 6 year olds could be labelled as failures and put Roman numerals into the maths curriculum. Now I'm all for children having a basic understanding of Roman Numerals - but they shouldn't be learning that in the time dedicated to actual maths, using actual numbers, that they'd actually use.

add in forced academies, free schools and making it far easier for heads to sack staff, he's left the whole system a nuclear disaster zone. He shouldn't have been trusted with a ministerial post again.

As a voodoo doll maybe

Let's bring him down

Th prison system is fucked

Only read your Op.
Of course he has his uses. To Murdoch and his empire who brought him back. So YANBU.

I'd like to see Gunther von Hagens find a use for him!

No doubt over the course of a long career Gove must have done something or other praiseworthy. I don't think any of those expats who risk being deported after Brexit want to hear about what a top bloke he is though.

I think he'd be ever so useful if we have another of those really cold snaps over the winter. He's so dry he should go up a treat. Four poor families could have a limb each.

Once, while temping in an educational environment, I heard a colleague say "Michael Gove should be shot". I walked over and said I heard that she wanted to shoot Mr Gove and that I must object. "Why is that?" she asked, beginning to bristle. "There is a queue," I told her. From then on we were firm friends.

"Let's bring him down"

That happened already....

Personally I find it staggering he has an Oxbridge degree

I don't, I've felt the intensive and relentless nature of the terms at Cambridge and Oxford encourages and rewards blagging, skim reading and glibness. It doesn't surprise me Cameron, who strikes me as similarly shallow got a first at Oxford, his particular talent for glossing over complexity is a help in such circumstances.

Pretzels, if I may abbreviate your name.... when I trained as a teacher, we had a lecture from an NUT bod, who explained carefully so everyone in the room understood, that an OFSTED report that said satisfactory meant inadequate but not atrocious.

What did 'inadequate' mean then? the NUT were not going round every training facility and telling people that, nor were they going into every school and explaining the new definitions. I spent the first 3 years of my teaching career under labour and 'satisfactory' was considered 'ok' then. (My entire school nearly collapsed with relief when we were judged as 'satisfactory' in 2010 - we had avoided special measures, which we feared were inevitable). Under Gove 'satisfactory' eventually got changed to 'requires improvement,' but we did have a year of satisfactory = not good enough.

He's awful. And he's not great for the environment. He's already causing problems with the EA 😩

AIBU To think Gove has his uses?

Landfill?

Sleeping policeman substitute?

Ballast?

The only decent Education Secretary EVER was Estelle Morris, because (a) she was a former teacher and (b) she stuck by the code of Individual Ministerial Responsibility and resigned when primary school literacy/numeracy targets weren't met.

Gove was a fucking disaster. A reckless ideologue who hated teachers.

I can't discuss him rationally these days. If he appears on TV I become a gibbering wreck and shriek "Will we never be rid of this odious goblin?" Then they have to change the channel and I insist on being served oodles of

I miss Estelle!!!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/education/2012/jan/23/national-curriculum-review