To feel sympathy to the National Trust volunteers at Felbrigg Hall?

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I'm pro-inclusion of minority groups, but think the NT should stick to doing it's job - looking after old houses. As most of its volunteers are retired, who might not want to be representatives of whatever right-on case the Trust decide to espouse,it's also short sighted of them to treat volunteers this way.

Looks like the NT has backed down.

I don't think there is yet a badge available which says I'm a decent person and will treat you as you treat me. I'd buy one! What colour should it be?

I have seen a man kiss a man at an NT property. Do I win some sort of prize from the likes of brasty?

I think it's demeaning to expect the elderly members of the NT to wear those silly lanyards, especially when some of them have earned and worn real medals.
Lets face it, there is something a bit childish looking about a rainbow at the best of times. It's childish looking.
LGB community need to get a different symbol. Something that doesn't look so silly, and carries a bit of gravitas and doesn't stir up images of bungel, George and Zippy.

Except anyone that thinks equality does not matter, is not a decent person.

Saucery don't be stupid. Someone kissing someone they love should be totally normal.

Seatoskimaybe in that case it is highly appropriate that anybody refusing to wear a badge indicating that the wearer this is that gay visitors should feel welcome at National Trust properties should be moved to a non customer facing role.

That is your opinion, brasty, which you are entitled to, although maybe read a bit more closely what I have actually written.

Yes, the NT has quite a way to go wrt to diversity and reaching out to sections of the community who don't think it's for them. Not that long ago they weren't particularly friendly to children, but that has slowly changed.

Brasty, you demanded to know what another poster would think if a man kissed his male partner at her house. That is what's stupid.

Okay all carry on with your, I am not prejudiced but.....

We will, thanks. Because we are not and you are making things up out of thin air in the vain hope of some sort of bunfight. Which is odd.

Probably some gay activist in the NT has initiated this propaganda campaign for their own ends totally disregarding everybody else.

No, Angelofthesouth, I very much doubt that is the case at all.

Yeah some gay activist who is pushing their own evil agenda of a private man's sex life, in everyone's face.

Or maybe, just maybe, the NT are actually trying to meet their charitable obligations.

I'm getting pretty hacked off with the implication from a small minority of posters that a) the rest of us aren't LGBT and therefore don't understand the issues (how dare you assume anything about anonymous posters' sexuality) and b) that if we think the NT were naive in their handling of this then we are bigots.

I feel the same about poppies. If people choose to wear them, that's fine but no one should be forced to.

Totally agree - it should be a personal decision. I am a volunteer too although not for the NT. I do agree with the braod aims of the charity I support or I wouldn't be there, but not every single little thing. I would not be impressed if all of a sudden this charity decided that we would also be wearing badges supporting a cause which is not in any way related to its work.

You've got to bit the right KIND of LGBT, LOUDLY AND agree with them on the particular issue of pin badges @babbity. Otherwise you don't count. That's how the illiberal liberals work

The NT should be trying to keep visitor numbers up and they should be trying to appeal to groups who haven't traditionally visited as much as others. This does not work against their objective of preserving heritage, it supports it, because unloved and undervalued heritage is seldom looked after as well as that which a wide section of society feels is relevant to them.
They're not making money for personal profit.

I feel the same about poppies. If people choose to wear them, that's fine but no one should be forced to.

That is the PERFECT comparator.

Yes why must anyone have to wear badges of something. If my employer insisted I think I'd be pissed off to.

Surely the whole point should be allowing them the freedom to choose to display a badge of whatever they support?

chips4teaplease we don't all have to think the same way. You can be as homophobic, racist, sexist or disablist as you want but in public you are not allowed to act on those views

I hope that's a general you and you aren't referring to me personally. To choose not to wear a badge putting forward a particular agenda is not a 'homophobic, racist, or disablist' act.

I'll go along with the poster upthread who wants an 'I'm a decent person...' badge.

No I wouldn't brasty, hate to revert to the old cliche but I have plenty of gay friends and have been to their weddings.

No a perfect comparator is another equal rights badge or symbol. For example a badge about suffragettes, at a stately home where an active suffragette used to live. Or a badge about black rights, at a stately home that used to be owned by a black landowner. Because this is about equal rights. Comparing it to other political causes is either disingenuous or a sign that you do not understand the issues.

Mollyboom Yes and I have some friends and family members who are prejudiced.

Is it just me who hates the idea of an 'I'm a decent person' badge?! Because some of the people who wear it won't be, they will be wankers!

Yes exactly.