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#refugewomen. Ceiling collapse in womens refuge.

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HelenaDove · 31/07/2017 01:51

I think this may have been partially resolved now but am sharing it here so MNers on twitter can retweet if they wish to .

HelenaDove Mon 31-Jul-17 01:43:20
From FB but is on twitter #refugewomen

"Need help from my journalist/blogger/legal friends. I am currently in a women's refuge in central London managed by Notting Hill Housing Trust. Last night our ceiling crashed in. Luckily no one was seriously injured but there are 7 vulnerable families living here who have fled domestic violence (8 children in total) and we have no electricity and cannot access our rooms/belongings due to flooding. Kensington and Chelsea are attempting to move us out of London tonight. We are all refusing to leave because we know that it means we will out for good. Can anyone help/advise/spread about what is happening here. From 7 desperate women."
Add message | Report | Message poster HelenaDove Mon 31-Jul-17 01:44:20
" We have been told that if we stay here and die (due to fire) then it is our fault and housing association will take no responsibility, despite the fact that where they are trying to house us is a danger area for a few of the residents here"

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SerfTerf · 31/07/2017 11:10

Yes, men are violent rapists. Misogyny, patriarchy blah blah. I get that.

Erm these men ARE violent (physically and sexually). That's why their families have fed to a love of safety.

Do you mean your posts to make you sound brainless?

SerfTerf · 31/07/2017 11:11

FLED to a PLACE of SAFETY.

Floellabumbags · 31/07/2017 11:22

13 it is quite clear you have little experience of DV and even less sympathy for the victims of DV

You don't have to have been subjected to domestic violence in order to have empathy for women in refuges. You don't have to have been abused in order to have empathy for survivors of abuse. You just need to be a decent fucking human being.

Ceto · 31/07/2017 11:30

If the women are originally from Barking, but are temporarily in K&C (refuge suggests not a long term-solution) then how do they have such strong links to the borough that they can't move elsewhere?

Given that children have to be in full time education, they will be in schools local to the refuge. They've already had massive disruption to their lives. Do they have to be subjected to yet more?

HelenaDove · 31/07/2017 15:39

Im not one of the women in the refuge. Im posting from another area and dont know any of them personally. My OP was a copy and paste of a copy and paste i put on another thread on another board. Sorry for the misunderstanding but i posted this thread in a hurry just before going to bed last night and wanted to get it out there.

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VestalVirgin · 31/07/2017 16:21

So they are refusing to leave a dangerous building? Seems they're gambling with their children's lives to prove a point.

So they should move back where the abusive men who threatened to kill them and their children are, and gamble with their childrens lives that way, because that is so much safer than risking being killed by a building that has never stated any such intent and has been rather table until the recent collapse?

I'd risk being killed by an unfortunate accident over being killed by a man who has stated he wants to kill me any day.

It is not a choice anyone should have to make, but also, no one should have it made for them by people such as you.

LittleMyLikesSnuffkin · 31/07/2017 16:31

The lack of empathy from some is astounding. And no you don't have to have suffered from DV to have empathy for people who have.

The shit these women and their kids have gone through already and some seem to have no consideration at all for that. They've already left their homes and most or all of their belongings behind as well as losing their friends and extended families a lot of the time. Most of the children would have had to switch schools already for practicality and safety reasons. Of course they don't want to move again to an area they don't know at all and don't feel safe in.

K&C are just desperate to offload them elsewhere because they see them as nothing but a problem and most likely want the refuge itself gone for good. Bastards.

HelenaDove · 31/07/2017 16:37

YY Snuffkin. My only personal experience is low to mid level financial abuse.

Im absolutely astounded at the fact that some think the women and children at this refuge should be moved around like chess pieces.

It makes the MN rallying cry of LTB sound rather hollow!

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VladmirsPoutine · 31/07/2017 16:37

Tbh I wouldn't want to be moved out of Kensington and Chelsea either. It's one of the best borough's in London - inspite of recent events.

LittleMyLikesSnuffkin · 31/07/2017 16:51

I moved out of refuge elsewhere in the country earlier this year. I was one of the lucky ones. I got a decent home to move into managed to keep the disruption to a minimum for my kids and life has calmed down a bit for now. I still look over my shoulder but it could be worse. Some women never stop running.

HelenaDove · 31/07/2017 16:56

Snuffkin Thanks

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CosmicPineapple · 31/07/2017 17:14

Helena i am not on twitter is there any news?

Snuffkin Flowers

HelenaDove · 31/07/2017 17:26

Seems to have gone silent for now. Hopefully that means its resolved. If i see any updates i will c and p them here.

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CosmicPineapple · 31/07/2017 17:31

Thank you.

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HelenaDove · 31/07/2017 18:37

"On Sunday evening I sat outside a pub in west London with a group of women, some of whom were crying. A man on a nearby table asked us why we were there, presuming a birthday party gone wrong, or a messy breakup had led to the scene. We were vague and cagey with our answer: “We live in a domestic violence refuge and we’re facing immediate homelessness and danger, so called a journalist for help” isn’t generally a great conversation starter.

Just after midnight that morning, the ceiling had collapsed in one woman’s bedroom: mercifully, she was visiting friends that night. The fact she has a condition that puts her at high risk of a heart attack doesn’t bear thinking about. For two weeks prior in the refuge, the sprinkler system had been leaking heavily: the women showed me the flooding they endured – ankle deep in some bedrooms, and wallpaper bulging with stale water.

Finally, the leak caused the ceiling to fall in. They rang the fire brigade and the housing association that owns the house and the charity that runs the shelter service. When the emergency services arrived, a firefighter told them that if anyone turned on the power, the entire building would go up in flames. Removing a plug from the wall, he swore as water poured from the socket. They were left with torches and barely managed to sleep: seven women, and six children between the ages of two and seven, crowded into the communal living room.

Their children are in play schemes in west London, where they’re building confidence after fleeing abuse and violence
Then matters worsened. The women were phoned individually by the housing association and told they’d be put in temporary accommodation – with no guarantee of when they would return – in Barking, 15 miles away: an hour away on public transport, even though the women’s doctors, counsellors, key workers and friends are all in west London. The children are in play schemes in west London, where they’re building confidence and making friends after fleeing abuse and violence. But worse: some of the women have ex-partners in Barking and east London, men who have told them that if they ever saw them again, they would murder them. One of the mothers was promised that if her husband ever had the opportunity he’d lock her and her son in the house and burn it to the ground.

Understandably terrified, they all refused, and were told there would be nothing else offered. By doing this, they were putting themselves at risk of being declared “intentionally homeless”, meaning they would be out on the streets with the housing association refusing to help.

The women are all intelligent, articulate, educated and speak multiple languages: model citizens on paper to the current government. And yet, because of their situation, they felt they were “scrabbling in the dirt, at the bottom of society”. They repeatedly said they felt like dirt, telling me I was wrong when I objected to them describing themselves as “scum”. They were treated as such by a system that bullies and harasses them and puts them in danger. Time and again I’ve heard near-identical tales of people having their humanity, dignity and worth stripped away due to homelessness and fleeing violence. Needing housing makes you extremely vulnerable: too often, being in need and having to rely on councils, housing associations and shelters in turn means you are treated like a criminal.

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The women lived in the same borough Grenfell Tower stands: to reach them, my bus had to pass the blackened shell. For a period it felt as though the tragedy had heightened public understanding of why housing is genuinely a life or death issue and brought shame on the nation, that we fail some of our most vulnerable time and again.

But the same situation continues to play out time and again: these women were at risk in the house, and at risk in the far-flung accommodation they’d been offered. Desperate to stay together in the small friendship group they’d forged, they had decided to fight: many others would have accepted the offer, and been placed in danger as a result.

With press attention, advice from lawyers who gave their time for free on Sunday night, and pressure from the MP Jess Phillips, whose experience in the domestic violence sector was invaluable, we were able to get assurances that the women would be housed locally until repairs are completed. But for every one of these experiences, many people won’t have a happy ending. Grenfell Tower should have shocked us into treating people with empathy, compassion and care when they’re homeless or in danger: instead, it looks like business as usual."

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WheresLarry · 31/07/2017 18:57

Best possible outcome under the circumstances. However I wonder if the people who picked up the story would have been as willing had it not been in the same constituency as Grenfell. Glad people stepped in to help but it shouldn't be so hard for women to get the support they need.

Hope things pick up for the women and children involved.

LittleMyLikesSnuffkin · 31/07/2017 19:08

Sounds about right. Housing will ruthlessly use bullying tactics to try and get to you to accept wherever they feel like putting you whether it's suitable and safe or not. There is no attempts to try and be understanding or sympathetic to the situation at all. There are ways round it but that's with a lot of back up from support workers social services and the like.

I and friends of mine have collectively been told: don't be so ungrateful. Stop being a princess. You shouldn't have got yourself in this situation in the first place. This is what happens when you voluntarily leave the HA home you had. You can't want somewhere to live that badly....

Bear in mind you can't (and wouldn't!) turn down a home of your own without very good reason, nor can you totally rule out an entire area unless your safety would be threatened. Why would you? You're hardly living in lap of luxury sharing a kitchen/bathroom with people you don't even know in refuge! Grrrr makes me so angry Angry

HelenaDove · 31/07/2017 19:13

YY Snuffkin. Totally agree. And its a very small point but i got pooh poohed on another thread a few months ago when i said i wouldnt trust a few of the HAs (NAHAALT) to install or upkeep and maintain a sprinkler system properly so ive shared Dawns article on that thread too.

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CosmicPineapple · 31/07/2017 19:29

Thank you for the update.

These women are amazingly strong even if they do not feel like it.
Anyone who reads that update and still thinks these women should go where they are told should hang their heads in shame.

It sounds like this council/HA who the women should, according to some on this thread, trust to keep them/put them safe could not even manage to do basic repairs and left them in squalor. AngrySad

TheWitchAndTrevor · 31/07/2017 19:44

Thank for the link Helena

I hope it helps some people understand a little better, the circumstances, and maybe at the very least, have some compassion for people less fortunate. Instead of pesky, entitled, faceless, ungrateful, statistics.

Downtheroadfirstonleft · 31/07/2017 19:52

As long as they are sent somewhere safe, why does it have to be in K&C, if they are originally from Barking??

CosmicPineapple · 31/07/2017 19:53

Down did you read the article at all?
Have you read any of the posts?

Floellabumbags · 31/07/2017 19:59

As long as they are sent somewhere safe, why does it have to be in K&C, if they are originally from Barking??

Because of schools, GPs, jobs, mental health services, distance from their abusers. Use your imagination.

HelenaDove · 31/07/2017 20:00

Channel 4 news are doing a social housing special tomorrow night.

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