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AIBU as i cant spend as much time with my mum as she wants

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gingerscientist · 30/07/2017 14:37

my mum and i have always had a very good relationship. She helped me alot when the children were babies and toddlers and has always given good help and support. we live close (just round the corner) and she collected the children from school once a week. when i went back to work part time, she would look after them (but they went to nursery also) i would still see her during the week and at weekends we would go out with my children and my dad (not my husband as he works on saturdays).
my dad died 7 years ago and our relationship changed overnight. the parent-child dynamic changed, and understandably as she was just widowed, i was doing alot for her regarding the finances, will, house etc. She is far from infirm, she drives, goes out with her friends on coach trips, walks her dog every day, does her own shopping etc.
My children are now 11 and 14 so they are more independent and i now work full time, but every 2-3 months we have an argument about how i don't spend enough time with her, how no one cares about her now she's not needed for childcare anymore, how i have a perfect life always going out with my friends (which isn't the case) and how we go on holiday without her. She has never liked my husband and it can be awkward when they are together, so inviting her on holiday is not great although we have done it before, i didn't really enjoy it as i was constantly on edge about him saying something she would take the wrong way. she compares her time spent with me to some of her friends (one of whom lives with her daughter and another whose daughter doesn't work) and clearly isn't happy about me being at work all week and not having time to take her out for lunch or to garden centres like we used to when the children were toddlers. she complains i don't text her, but admits that she never looks at her mobile so doesn't reply to my messages. I usually see her during the week and at weekends and speak to her on the phone for at least 40 min once or twice a week but i'm at work from 8-6 every day and sometimes have work to do at weekends or am ferrying the children around. Sometimes they want to go out and actually say 'can it be just the 4 of us, not granny?' we don't spend much family time together as the 4 of us so I don't always feel like bringing her, especially with the way I know she feels about DH. When she has a go at me i always apologise and feel guilty and try to make more effort to include her in things we do, but it never seems to be enough to satisfy her- things have changed and are not like they were when the kids were tiny and we spent alot of time out together. I'm working more but it feels like she resents me for it. She says 'when i was your age i was holding down a a FT job, looking after the children and taking care of my elderly mother, cutting her grass and doing all her shopping'. She expects me to to organise trips and entertain her, she never suggests anything to do but chides me for not organising things. she never rings me but is angry when i don't ring her often enough.
I do have a brother who lives in the same village, married with 2 children. He is much less engaged but because he has always been like that, she doesn't expect any more from him. She will ring him up and ask him to come round and do jobs and he will, then he doesn't ring her for ages but he doesn't get into trouble. His children are younger and mum has them once a week after school so she feels connected to them, even though my SIL and brother always go out at weekends but never invite my mum to go with them.
this flare up has been happening regularly every 2-3 months since my dad died and each time it makes me upset for days afterwards, and i always ask myself 'what more can i do?'. I can't see how i can do what it is she expects from me and i try to include her in lots of things we do but sometimes i prefer it to just be the 4 of us, particularly on holiday. I love my job and feel angry that she isn't happy for me, but seems to resent me working- my dad would have been so proud but she never seems to be.

OP posts:
BackforGood · 31/07/2017 00:04

Of course YANBU.
You just need to calmly say "I now work full time, long hours, as well as all the things involved in running the household and supporting the dc. You should not be depending on me for company. Why don't you join X,Y,Z, or go out with friends A, B, or C to occupy your time?"

....followed by asking how often she has seen dear brother that week ?

.....and if she still goes on, start pointing out that the fact she is so negative, and complains so much actually makes the idea of spending time with her even less attractive.

ChasedByBees · 31/07/2017 00:24

YANBU. Does she realise that as she doesn't like your DH it causes a strain? She already seems to be included in pretty much all family time you do have.

If she chides you for not organising something, turn it back and ask her why she didn't organise anything. She wants to give you her 'mental load'. It's not yours to carry though.

WiganPierre · 31/07/2017 02:14

I do think you need to cherish your mum. You don't know how long you will have her for. Sorry but YABU.

KC225 · 31/07/2017 02:44

It sounds as if she wants to replace her DH (your Father) with you.

I think you need to stop apologising when this rant surfaces. You apologising leaves her feeling in the right but frustrated because nothing changes. You are within your rights to say it's awkward to go out as a family (or on holiday) as you don't like DH. Tell her that working full time leaves precious little time over. Tell her she can't compare if she starts quoting what she did. Say you will always be so grateful for all the help she has given and that she has been such a great and supportive mum so she feels appreciated.

Another thing you could do is have a word with your brother. Tell him what is happening and the pressure she is putting you under. Perhaps ask him to include your mother more in his life.

Could you also arrange an outing once a month. Maybe once a year do a weekend - just the two of two or you her and the kids. Ask her to make.the suggestions, or tale it in turns. Say you know how busy I am - your turn.

dingodon · 31/07/2017 02:54

Here we go you don't know how long your mum will be around so therefore you must keep her happy, never complain and fuck the impact on you and your immediate family unit/marriage.

YANBU stop apologising. Your mother gave birth to you, she didn't take out ownership rights.

GetOffTheTableMabel · 31/07/2017 03:39

You can't really do any more and you can't change her behaviour.
There isn't an easy resolution. It's a little trite to say it but the only thing you can change is your own response.
Can you agree with her while continuing your life as you wish?
She grumbles that she never sees you and you say "I know. It was lovely in the old days when the children were younger wasn't it. I wish I could go to the garden centre with you in the middle of the day".
I play a game with myself in my head when dealing with my mother. I find a way to agree with everything she says, without changing my plans.

gingerscientist · 31/07/2017 07:48

Thanks everyone for your comments. Yes I think by apologising I am probably making it worse and giving her false expectations that things will change. This time I did speak up more and explain that it's not my intention to see less of her but that is just the way my life is these days. The conflict with my DH doesn't help and I have pointed that out to her too (he actually doesn't mind if she comes along with us sometimes, but it's more me that feels uncomfortable).
I think a weekend away is a good compromise and would give her something to look forward to. We did that last summer and had our main holiday with her too but this summer we are going off to a sunny island for 2 weeks on our own.
Glad I'm not the only one feeling like this- thanks for reading Smile

OP posts:
gingerscientist · 31/07/2017 08:06

I should speak to my brother about it too- she has said things to him in the past but he says nothing back and doesn't take it to heart so she just accepts it and has stopped expecting anything. Recently I did give him a heads up and asked if he could invite her round when we were away so he did- then it was used against me when I got back 'oh your brother is wonderful and I had a lovely time with them while you were away!' Confused

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SleepFreeZone · 31/07/2017 08:13

OP this isn't your fault. It's perfectly natural that your mum feels this way but you sound like your doing lots already and it's not fair for her to try and guilt you.

Do you think she could get more involved in other things like WI or maybe some classes?

NormaSmuff · 31/07/2017 08:18

I am in similar situation with my dm. problem is it feels if you give an inch she takes a mile. so she came over again and again and it was suffocating. plus I felt used.
Anyway I might go with the once a month scenario

GiGiraffe · 31/07/2017 08:49

@wiganpier did you read the thread? OP sounds like she does cherish her mother. Hmm

OP, I would ask you mother what she wants you to do? I had the same conversation again and again with my mum (also widowed, not a huge fan of my DH). In the end I said, Mum, I work crazy hours, I prioritise time with you (call her everyday for a chat) see her weekly and try and go out shopping/lunch regularly - I said what else can I do.

Her answer was she wants me to drop round and sit and drink tea in her front room with her and go shopping (as her friends daughter does with her mum - SAHM) so I said unfortunately that isn't going to happen and she finally seems to have accepted that. I still get the odd comment but I ignore, ignore, ignore.

My brother is really good though and definitely pulls his weight in terms of doing jobs, taking her out and about etc...

It improved massively when she got a 'boyfriend' that she poodles around with, goes on holiday and generally talks the ears off Smile - is that an option for your mum?

It's hard, you have my sympathies- the guilt tripping is awful!

MorrisZapp · 31/07/2017 08:55

Totally feel your pain. Different scenario here but much of the emotional stuff ringing a bell. My mum doesn't really approve of me, thinks my dp is an intellectual lightweight, and thinks our son is over indulged. But she also harbours permanent resentment that we don't include her more. It's a vicious circle, made worse by the fact that my dad is brilliant with all of us (they're long divorced) and we actively seek his company because he is fun and a delight to be with.

CPtart · 31/07/2017 08:58

YANBU. This will only get much worse as she gets older and more infirm. You need to be straight with her, and realistic about when you can see her.
I see it with SIL who has relied heavily on PIL for childcare over the years and live next door. My nephews are teens now, and get irritated by grandparents still wanting to tag everywhere with them. So glad we are further away and paid (thousands) for nursery instead. That feeling of not being beholden is priceless.

RudeDog · 31/07/2017 09:08

@WiganPierre maybe OP should quit her job so she is available all day?

When FIL died MIL did suggest DH left us to go live with her, basically to be a replacement for FIL.
Although it was a ridiculous suggestion DH feels bad he didn't do it, now she has passed away too (or taken extended leave from work).

It wasn't feasible for DH to quit his job , move 6 hours away basically to become a full time unpaid companion (she wouldn't move) and basically ruin his own life.

Your DM needs to be more realistic - I'm assuming she didn't do the same with her own DM?

Love51 · 31/07/2017 09:10

It sounds like you love your mum, but she struggles to accept that she isn't part of your nuclear family. Is there budget for you to book a weekend away with her ( and poss some other adult relatives) - leave dh with the kids. Then you get your proper family holiday, and she gets a whole weekend of you. Maybe as a birthday present? I was brought up in a family where we don't do neediness, so may not be correct. I'm well aware it is pandering! But if it's something you would enjoy, it might be worth considering.
I'd also say 'why do you want to cone west with us given that you don't think much of dh!' Then she might stop talking to you, problem solved! But, you seem ti actually like her, so maybe don't!

CockacidalManiac · 31/07/2017 09:10

I do think you need to cherish your mum. You don't know how long you will have her for. Sorry but YABU.

There's always one.

Love51 · 31/07/2017 09:15

Re reading the op, it seems that part of the problem is your reaction. YANBU. If you give more time, effort, and energy to your mum it is coming from what you would have spent on the kids. Seeing her during the week as well as weekends is loads. The feeling upset for days on end after she has a go is wallowing and self indulgent and stops right now. Because mumsnet says so. Understood, young lady?

Riverdale32 · 31/07/2017 09:19

YANBU. Please don't feel you need to justify why you want to spend time with you DH and DC. I have a slightly similar situation with a member of my family which drives me mad. They retired nearly thirty years ago so has no idea how working life has changed so much and become much more stressful than when they went to work. It's not fair for your DM to make comments about all that she did while she worked because the reality is working life is different now than it used to be. My family member asks about what they bring round on the tea trolley at work - if only such things existed nowadays!!! You sound like you are a great daughter and DM should be pleased about the stuff you already do with her and not be negative and focus on the things she feels you don't do. Don't feel guilty about having and enjoying your own life. If DM had such a wonderful time with DB when you were away perhaps she should arrange to see them more often.

LaContessaDiPlump · 31/07/2017 09:22

wiganpier my mum acted rather like the op's mum, and is now dead. I miss her but I emphatically do not miss the passive-aggressive emotional blackmailing bullshit.

drinkingtea · 31/07/2017 09:24

GetOffTheTable has probably got the right (very zen) solution, which is essentially a more specific version of "smile, nod, ignore" ... Very hard to do in practice unless you are a fantastically zen person generally, but good advice if you can bite your tongue and take the mental and emotional step back!

I'd go for very clearly pointing out that she doesn't approve of DH so holidays together are not pleasant, and leave a long silence for her to fill... But that is not good relationship advice.

Wigan presumably manages all her relationships on the basis of emotional blackmail, the favourite tool of a substantial minority of people sadly but a very unpleasant one.

RosaDeZoett · 31/07/2017 09:36

Yanbu.Mil is like this and it's horrible for everyone. I'm saving now for a state of the art independent living senior village type set up. With on call nurses and shuffle board, chess, poker etc etc.... Where my guilt free family can visit me if /when they choose.

Mulberryaddict · 31/07/2017 09:36

This could actually have been written by me OP !! I feel you girl ! My mother is exactly the same since her husband died 7 years ago, very demanding, doesn't like my DH particularly although pretends she does so that we include her - even though it's obvious she doesn't. And she HATES me working because it's less time I have for her. She makes comments all the time like, 'That bloody job, you do too many hours' or 'They expect too much of you' well no - it's called a job !! They pay me to do it, and I need the money mother !!
She had never had to work, so has no idea of how a job really works, she will text or call me constantly while I'm there, even turns up for a chat ! She doesn't realise that you can't do that - my job is not important to her at all. And if I'm at work and don't reply to a message quickly, she gets the arse.
She also wants to be invited on holidays, but like OP - she dislikes my DH so I'm on edge all the time. And she makes snide remarks about everything ! We are also blackmailed with money, like oh I was gonna pay for your new carpets but I'm not now because you don't come round when I ask. We both work ft and have 3 teens, so getting everyone together is rare, but she expects everyone to do as she wants. If they don't she actually throws a tantrum.

Be firm OP - it's taken me years but I'm finally standing up to her. Little things like I'll text back and say 'mum I'm at work til 4, I can't speak until later' or 'sorry mum but Sue's daughter doesn't work so has the time to go shopping, lunch etc with her - I don't because I need to work'.

MorrisZapp · 31/07/2017 09:36

Sorry I didn't give any advice! Frankly, I'm of the opinion that mothers are like the Middle East - there's no solution.

But one tactic my sister and I use is pretending we can't see all the passive aggressive body language and responding only to what she actually says.

How was your day mum?

Oh fine (humph, scowl, sad face)

Great! I'll pop over next Tuesday.

VladmirsPoutine · 31/07/2017 09:44

YANBU. But I can't help but feel sorry for your mum. I'd hate for my dc to think of me as expendable once they no longer have any use for me.

junebirthdaygirl · 31/07/2017 09:47

Could you pick one sentence and keep saying it. Im sorry you feel like that or its a pity l have to work full time.
You are quite clearly a devoted dd so do not take on any guilt. No way on earth could l have spent that much time with my dm but she was very independent and demanded nothing. She has passed now and l dont feel one bit guilty.