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AIBU as i cant spend as much time with my mum as she wants

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gingerscientist · 30/07/2017 14:37

my mum and i have always had a very good relationship. She helped me alot when the children were babies and toddlers and has always given good help and support. we live close (just round the corner) and she collected the children from school once a week. when i went back to work part time, she would look after them (but they went to nursery also) i would still see her during the week and at weekends we would go out with my children and my dad (not my husband as he works on saturdays).
my dad died 7 years ago and our relationship changed overnight. the parent-child dynamic changed, and understandably as she was just widowed, i was doing alot for her regarding the finances, will, house etc. She is far from infirm, she drives, goes out with her friends on coach trips, walks her dog every day, does her own shopping etc.
My children are now 11 and 14 so they are more independent and i now work full time, but every 2-3 months we have an argument about how i don't spend enough time with her, how no one cares about her now she's not needed for childcare anymore, how i have a perfect life always going out with my friends (which isn't the case) and how we go on holiday without her. She has never liked my husband and it can be awkward when they are together, so inviting her on holiday is not great although we have done it before, i didn't really enjoy it as i was constantly on edge about him saying something she would take the wrong way. she compares her time spent with me to some of her friends (one of whom lives with her daughter and another whose daughter doesn't work) and clearly isn't happy about me being at work all week and not having time to take her out for lunch or to garden centres like we used to when the children were toddlers. she complains i don't text her, but admits that she never looks at her mobile so doesn't reply to my messages. I usually see her during the week and at weekends and speak to her on the phone for at least 40 min once or twice a week but i'm at work from 8-6 every day and sometimes have work to do at weekends or am ferrying the children around. Sometimes they want to go out and actually say 'can it be just the 4 of us, not granny?' we don't spend much family time together as the 4 of us so I don't always feel like bringing her, especially with the way I know she feels about DH. When she has a go at me i always apologise and feel guilty and try to make more effort to include her in things we do, but it never seems to be enough to satisfy her- things have changed and are not like they were when the kids were tiny and we spent alot of time out together. I'm working more but it feels like she resents me for it. She says 'when i was your age i was holding down a a FT job, looking after the children and taking care of my elderly mother, cutting her grass and doing all her shopping'. She expects me to to organise trips and entertain her, she never suggests anything to do but chides me for not organising things. she never rings me but is angry when i don't ring her often enough.
I do have a brother who lives in the same village, married with 2 children. He is much less engaged but because he has always been like that, she doesn't expect any more from him. She will ring him up and ask him to come round and do jobs and he will, then he doesn't ring her for ages but he doesn't get into trouble. His children are younger and mum has them once a week after school so she feels connected to them, even though my SIL and brother always go out at weekends but never invite my mum to go with them.
this flare up has been happening regularly every 2-3 months since my dad died and each time it makes me upset for days afterwards, and i always ask myself 'what more can i do?'. I can't see how i can do what it is she expects from me and i try to include her in lots of things we do but sometimes i prefer it to just be the 4 of us, particularly on holiday. I love my job and feel angry that she isn't happy for me, but seems to resent me working- my dad would have been so proud but she never seems to be.

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Dowser · 31/07/2017 09:48

I. Bet your mum won't s about the same age as me...65 or she may be younger.
I feel for both of you. Life is constantly evolving at an alarming rate but as you get older you can't help reminiscing on how things used to be when your children were younger .
When you've truly loved someone you can't help loving and missing them more as you age ....and when you've also lost your significant other.

7 years is a long time to be without your spouse and I think it gets harder. The raw pain fades but the missing becomes more acute.
Sounds like your mum is doing a brilliant job and it sounds like you love her a lot.
Sounds like when she shuts the door at night , she's not just alone but lonely and I can see where you do your best to pick up the slack and that you can't be there all the time.

Don't feel guilty. It's not your fault , it just is what is.
I'm sure you let her know how much you love and care for her.
I'm turning into a bit of a redundant grandmother as my grandchildren grow up and the families don't need us as much. It's what hp he. I have my lovely husband and we have a lovely life together. It would be much harder as a woman on my own..
My own mother was widowed at 68 and she had 20 years on her own and she did amazing. I spent a lot of time with her and am pleased I did.
She passed away with dementia last year and I miss her so much.
It's all about balance isn't it. Spending some quality time together when you are together.
At least she's doing the right thing, getting out and about with friends.

I think gentle explanation is the way forward, just letting her know she's valued might help her to keep moving forward.

Mum and I had a great time, lunches out, cinema, shopping visiting me when the great. Grandchildren were round but I didn't work and the relationship was mutually beneficial.
And I miss her. The one woman who always had my back.

Dowser · 31/07/2017 09:50

It's what hp he = it's what happens

Enidblyton1 · 31/07/2017 09:56

It sounds like you do a lot already. Your poor DM needs some other interests in her life. Does she have any hobbies? Does she have many friends? When one of my parents died, the other one joined a local social club for singles and ended up with a full social calendar and ultimately a new partner. They now live together and have a wonderful time (I have young children and hardly see them because they are so busy!)

InvisableLobstee · 31/07/2017 10:03

Your mum ibu but I do feel a bit sorry for her as she is probably lonely and misses being a bigger part of your family like then the kids were young. Even if she makes more friends and builds up her social life it's not quite the same. However I do think that is the answer for her. She might not be young enough to work full time but she can still have a busy, full life. That way she won't be relying on you for company. I bet she will still miss the old days when she saw more of you a bit but it will be easier.

Laiste · 31/07/2017 10:12

drinkingtea - GetOffTheTable has probably got the right (very zen) solution, which is essentially a more specific version of "smile, nod, ignore" ... Very hard to do in practice unless you are a fantastically zen person generally

Ah - i've been practicing this solution for years. I'm not fantastically zen person at all and it's hard sometimes to keep up the veneer. In fact deep inside it drives me bloody mad, all this passive agessive 'you're so happy what about meeeeeeee' shit. The ONLY good thing about it all is that my DMs behavior (not just now actually, but for most of my adult life) is a perfect blue print for how NOT to treat my daughters as they pass into adulthood. So i guess i should be grateful for that at least ...

Dixiechickonhols · 31/07/2017 10:13

A weekend holiday sounds good just the 2 of you. Whilst away have a chat about things. Stop feeling guilty. Dont apologise.

Life moves on. I have a good relationship with my mum (who understands re work) things that have evolved recently and I can see benefit us both are dc going to stay for 1 on one time with her. Mine is 11 she likes staying with grandma. My mum likes having someone to talk to, make meals for and they go shopping, swimming, shows etc things they both like.
My other is we got a dog. My mum disapproved but she loves him now and treats him as a toddler grandson. She comes and walks him one day a week at her insisting, I don't even see her sometimes that day as I'm at work. So she does me a favour and feels needed. Maybe a bit radical but is there anything she could do to feel needed like when she minded your dc eg does she like gardening and could help with yours, take dc to a hobby if it's something she's interested in. Just thinking of ways to make her feel involved not requiring you to give up hours you don't have.

Kailoer · 31/07/2017 10:18

It sounds like she doesn't really understand or care much about the other pressures you have going on in your life.

You have a reasonable, fair right to spend time with your husband and children as a family unit and that doesn't mean you love your mum any less - i assume that's how it's being interpreted by her and/or used as a guilt mechanism by her.

It's not really a loving or fair dynamic you've ended up in. and whilst the other posters have hit the nail on the head with regard to "smile, nod, ignore", i know it's not easy to implement at first. it will get better with practice.

i think a dual tactic of helping her find other outlets for her time and focus (whilst not taking on the role of organizing stuff FOR her to keep her occupied!) as well as actively practising the "water off a ducks back" technique can help.

There's also a really helpful book that many many posters talk about on here with fmaily demands sometimes - you'd be best heading to the Relationships board on MN, OP.. it has a LOT of posters who've been in your situation, and who slowly, with time, learned to practice these techniques to re-balance an aging parent's unrealistic expectations with what you're happy to give

Because at the moment, that's the problem isn't it? Your mum wants more than you want to (or CAN) give. And she's putting you in a massively unfair position by pressuring you to give more than you're clearly able to. She's basically saying: i understand where my daughter has drawn boundaries, but i'm going to punish her for it anyway.

Yet has totally different expectations of your brother. That's not fair.

PickAChew · 31/07/2017 10:20

oh your brother is wonderful and I had a lovely time with them while you were away!

Sounds like a perfect one for the agreeing with her without putting upon yourself tack. Yes mum, I'm glad you had a lovely time with DB. You should get together more often.

juneau · 31/07/2017 10:30

I agree that mothers are like the Middle East - there is no solution!

Your DM sounds high maintenance. Please stop apologising - it's not helping. You can see that things aren't going to change in the way that she wants (you giving her your undivided attention), so stop giving her the impression that you'll conjure up more hours in the week for the kind of activities she is expecting. If she wants to go to the garden centre and have tea she should ask friends to join her and she sounds perfectly capable of doing her own shopping. She's inventing things to be hurt about when she doesn't need to since she's neither infirm nor without transport. She is BU and you know this, so think of ways that you can address her specific gripes and encourage her to create a social life that keeps her occupied in the week so she's not sitting there fuming that you aren't ferrying her around and providing her with conversation and entertainment. You're her DD, not her events manager, so please encourage her to be more self-sufficient.

Only1scoop · 31/07/2017 10:33

Can see both sides although she sounds like a bit of a Martyr.

Sounds like she was extremely useful to you at one stage and now not quite so.

Sad really

Kailoer · 31/07/2017 10:40

I have been looking for a thread in the Relationships forum where the elderly parenting book and boundary setting is mentioned, but i can't find a single one now!

I did find these OP, which may help - similar situations with slightly different issues at play, but ultimately the same problem - coping with aging parents and their expectations.

The advice on them may help you to step back and see how to action some of the advice here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/other_subjects/37389-elderly-parents-how-much-can-you-realistically-do
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/a1448462-Feeling-increasingly-irritated-with-elderly-mother-who-lives-with-us
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2578204-Toxic-manipulative-but-frail-elderly-mother

gingerscientist · 31/07/2017 10:46

Thanks everyone for your input. I think a weekend away would be useful and make her feel valued. Dowser yes similar age to you and i think you have hit the nail on the head about being lonely.
Dixie she has got a dog herself, something i suggested (sourced online and drove 100+ miles to collect for her) and that has been great- without the dog i fear things would have been worse! But we have a cat so it means she can't call in with her dog when she is out walking it...
EndiBlyton1 she has always said that she didn't want another partner and I believe that, but she even said this time that perhaps she should get one..
My brother has the 'zen' response down to a fine art, and doesn't worry about anything- i have been trying that but it still upsets me when she has a go at me Sad
Kailoer you are right- she wants more than i can, or want to give and i do want to preserve family time with my own family unit. She has said that she feels sad that she is not part of our nuclear unit but i feel that some of that is her fault due to her attitude towards my DH.
I have told her that she is pushing me further away from her when she acts like this, and she agrees but can't seem to stop herself.
Love51 you are right, I used to feel sad after these rants but because they are becoming so frequent now, I'm feeling more angry- like ' not again!' But i will try to stop feeling guilty. The last few rants have been in the presence of my DD (age 11) who looks shocked at the outbursts then tells me afterwards that my DM is not very nice to me (and she hopes I don't speak to her like that when I'm older). When we do take her out, DD gets annoyed because DM speaks at me that whole day and DD can't get a word in edgeways, so her time with me is monopolised by my DM anyway.
mulberry we are experiencing the exact same problem! I got her a mobile phone but she could never be bothered to figure out how to use it, every time i would text her she never read the message- Then in the rant this weekend she complained that i never text her! Angry
I will take on board everything that everyone has said, really appreciate it thank you x

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Bluebellevergreen · 31/07/2017 10:46

I do think you need to cherish your mum. You don't know how long you will have her for. Sorry but YABU.
Oh please
Ohhhh please
Projecting much?

Kailoer · 31/07/2017 10:53

I do think you need to cherish your mum. You don't know how long you will have her for. Sorry but YABU.

rolls eyes

Just because we all die doesn't mean to say we have a blank cheque to demand an unlimited amount of time, attention and focus from people! The OP has children, a DH whom the mother doesn't like... everyone has a finite amount of time and no matter how good or bad the relationship with a parent is, you can literally only do and give so much.

Them potetnially dying doesn't give them the right to demand more! Shock

gingerscientist · 31/07/2017 10:58

only1scoop I know that's what she thinks but that's not how i meant it to be- it's just the way things are with the kids getting older and me working more.. I actively stopped asking her to babysit/look after kids because I didn't want her to think that's all I needed her for, but I guess it's backfired because she has ended up seeing them less...

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MorrisZapp · 31/07/2017 11:06

You can't win. Ask her to babysit and she huffily implies you only want her when you need a favour, don't ask her to babysit and she 'hardly ever gets to see them'. My mum will huff either way so I pretend I can't see it.

Mothervulva · 31/07/2017 11:07

I guess you have a couple of options: the zen approach as mentioned before, the 'tell it how it is one' where you point out the behaviours then disengage from her for a bit. Alternatively, could she come over for tea once a week? Or you and her do an activity together in the evening? I don't think you should include her on family holidays, doesn't sound fair to your DP, however a weekend away somewhere, you could take your eldest child, might pacify her.

You have my sympathies, I don't think anything you have said suggests you used her when the children were small, it's a pattern I see around me all the time that the GPs help out when the children are little then it tails off as they get older. I don't live near my mother and she wouldn't dream of taking my kids which although is a shame means I won't have this issue in the future I suppose.

InvisableLobstee · 31/07/2017 11:18

My DM does that same thing of talking a lot so my dd (13) doesn't get a chance to join in. Now dd doesn't enjoy her company as much. Especially as dm and dd have different interests so dm conversation is not that interesting to dd. I really noticed the difference when a neighbour about Dm's age called round and she is more of a listener than a talker and dd enjoyed talking to her.

MorrisZapp · 31/07/2017 11:24

My mum's the same. Gives her grandchildren the hairdryer treatment on that day's political rage or personal fad, then complains they don't seek out her company.

My dad meanwhile, talks to them about subjects of mutual interest or just their interest, and laughs it off if they don't feel like engaging. They adore him and beg to go to his house.

Greyponcho · 31/07/2017 11:24

Maybe the kids could go and see her to spend time with her instead of specifically to be 'looked after', keep her company/do a few small jobs for her?
Perhaps give them the opportunity to talk to each other instead of each relying on you for the sole source of conversation when you go out.
Plus it does seem that you worry a little too much about DMs reaction to your DP each time you go out - if she doesn't like it, she knows what she can do, doesn't she tell her so too

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