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To expect to be able to make a purchase at closing time.

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NK493efc93X1277dd3d6d4 · 23/07/2017 01:27

I was in Laura Ashley today just before closing looking to buy a picture, The assistant showed me the display item which was still marked up at full price and then went over to the tills to check the sale price for me.

Yes I'd like to buy it I replied - only to be told that sorry you can't do that today as the tills are closed now. I checked my phone, bang on 6pm, closing time. I queried this as I have never come across this before. I have been in plenty of shops that advise customers to go to the tills at closing time, but none who refuse to make a sale on the dot of closing.

I said as much to the assistant who looked apologetic and consulted senior assistant. The tills close themselves down at 6pm she advised me. if you want to buy it you'll have to come back in the morning. Don't worry the sale is on until Monday.

Is it unreasonable to expect to complete a purchase when I am already in the shop at closing time?

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Pearlsofmadness · 23/07/2017 09:51

Pengggwn
Common sense should really prevail in this situation, just as it does in other stores, and it is disappointing that Laura Ashley don't seem to have this. When a customer shows intent to purchase BEFORE closing time, they really should be able to do so. That, to me, is a silly policy. I wonder how much money they have lost by having their tills 'automatically' shut down at closing time. It doesn't really make good business sense, as well as being poor for customer service.

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faithinthesound · 23/07/2017 09:52

Why are people missing buses, surely you know you are going to stay about 20--30-40 minutes after closing time so adjust your travel plans accordingly.

I did. I factored in the time the store closed, and the time it took to close my space down, and the time it took to put my things away, get my coat, and get to the bus stop.

I did not factor in selfish people lingering after closing time because they don't give a toss.

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Pearlsofmadness · 23/07/2017 09:55

Pengggwn

I didn't say anything about the staff member. I said the policy is silly and that it leads to poor customer service in Laura Ashley. You are right- it is not the staff member's fault (although they could have warned her if they knew they would be unable to process the transaction after price-checking). Still, they don't make the policies and you'd think, as a global brand, those who DO make the policy would have some more sense and envisage such situations as what happened to OP occurring.

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fannydaggerz · 23/07/2017 09:58

Our tills automatically closed from head office at 6 and on the very rare occasion we had someone in purchasing just before closing time, our manager had to manually override the system with permission from head office. This also meant all staff would be late leaving as she had to do cashing up later than usual. Did any of us get paid for this extra 35 -45 minutes? No.

The tills in this shop close at 6, I'm assuming you knew the shop closed at 6. The staff cannot just open a till just because you decided to purchase something at closing time.

Yabu

faithinthesound · 23/07/2017 09:58

To everyone saying the shop assistant "should have warned her"

Would you also like us to go to your houses and remind you to leave for our store on time?

At some point you have to take responsibility for your own timekeeping, including reading the posted opening hours AND some sort of time-telling device and work out if you are preventing someone from going home!

Pearlsofmadness · 23/07/2017 09:59

Pengggwn

And, as I have said numerous times, it is a very silly policy.

Boredwithmyname · 23/07/2017 09:59

Sounds like terrible customer service and a good reason not to shop there again OP. Everywhere I've ever worked in retail the policy has been to usher customers towards the tills at closing time but never to tell them they can't make a purchase.

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faithinthesound · 23/07/2017 10:01

Lol. I didn't want to say wristwatch, because not everyone wears one, and I didn't want to say phone, because some people DO wear a wristwatch... I was trying to be all encompassing!!!

RoseGoldEagle · 23/07/2017 10:02

I don't think the OP is saying she thinks she should be served by someone who isn't being paid, for her convenience, she's saying the shop owners should have a better system where they actually do pay people past closing time, to avoid this situation. I.e. If a shop closes at 6, and you're letting people in at 5 to 6, wouldn't you have a leeway period where no-one else can come in, but the customer has a period of say until 6.15 to make their purchase. That just seems to make sense business wise to me. Or else don't let people in after 5.45pm and have 6 as the cut off. That's not being disrespectful to the people that work there- like I said, they should be being paid for that. I get that if that doesn't happen then of course they should close the tills- but think the OP is saying it shouldn't be that way, not that staff should stay anyway. I've said before to people 'sorry you have to work on a bank holiday' just thinking I was being nice- because I often have to work bank holidays too, and obviously would rather be home with my family- but I still don't begrudge the people using the service we provide (not retail) on those days.

ginnystonic · 23/07/2017 10:04

6pm, the shop had closed.

Obviously YABVU

Who do you think you are, expecting shop assistants to stay late and keep the shop open because you can't time keep?

Some people are un-fucking-real!

Lulu1083 · 23/07/2017 10:04

Yes faith because that's exactly the same as being half way through serving a customer and then refusing/being unable to carry it through to completion. Exactly the same... Hmm

SandyDenny · 23/07/2017 10:07

fannydaggerz - how does doing one transaction after closing time mean you'd be 30-40 late finishing?

That doesn't make any sense unless all late transactions take 30-40 minutes to process.

Unless LA only have 1 till they can start the cashing up of the others at 6, you don't need to keep them all open, the rest of the staff don't have to stand around watching, it might cause 5 minutes delay on that one till but there's going to be little effect on all the other end of day tasks.

Anyway, can someone with twitter send this to LA so we can get a definitive answer on the till turning off system

Janika · 23/07/2017 10:07

Full trolley load to deal with at 1 min before shift ends on minimum wage and expected to complete transaction with no overtime....wish customers could plan ahead more.

Pearlsofmadness · 23/07/2017 10:10

Pengggwn

I don't understand where you're going with this now? I haven't mentioned the time and adults being able/not being able to tell it at all? As far as the OP is concerned, she went into the store before closing time and demonstrated intent to buy an item before closing time. She didn't go into the store at 6pm, she went in - and was allowed in- before this time. So what has not being able to tell the time got to do with it? I have simply stated that it is a very silly policy to shut down a till at 6pm when a customer has demonstrated intent to pay before this time.
I shall leave you to it now as you are beginning to embellish. Smile

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faithinthesound · 23/07/2017 10:14

You know you can sit there behind your screens and tell us all about the policies our companies should have to make our pay better reflect what we have to put up in the line of duty. Some of you actually have some really good ideas.

But you are wasting time and effort, because our companies a) won't see your suggestions posted here, and b) won't care regardless. They are going to continue to do exactly what they need to do to keep their company viable, and we as staff have a choice to make. Toe the company line and stay employed, or go out there in this recession and look for another job. Another job where there will probably policies that are just as problematic, if not exactly the same.

So here's a suggestion from me. Instead of sitting here listing off all the things that the shop assistants "could" (but actually can't) do, and all the things the companies "should" (but never ever will) do, to make these sorts of situations better, how about looking at what you CAN control? Your own behavior?

Take responsibility for your own actions. Read the opening hours. Check your wristwatch/phone for the time. Time your journeys better. Understand that no shopping trip was ever completed in two and a half minutes all told. Remember that the people behind the counter vastly more often than not don't actually have terrible attitudes or chips on their shoulders, but they're tired and have been on their feet all day.

You all want to walk into a store and get great service. That's fair enough. I think, when I'm employed to provide customer service, I should absolutely be doing everything in my power to make sure that the customer leaves happy. But I also think at some point, I should get to clock off and relax and tend to myself and my family, and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that point to be, the highly publicized opening hours of the store I work at.

I signed a contract saying, you work until X o'clock at which point the store closes, and you work until X:15 doing things like closing down the registers and last minute tidy-up etc. Nowhere in that contract is a provision for when customers decide that closing time doesn't apply to them. I don't get paid after X:15, period.

You may be right in saying, it's only a minute. But when the store is closed, it's not your minute you're wasting, it's mine. And it's only a minute to you, but you're one customer. If every customer decides that it's "just one minute", how many unpaid minutes do you think I end up working over the course of a week? How many "just one minutes" are my family spending sitting at home waiting for me, when I should be, and have a right to be, at home?

I'm not a bad person, and I like to think none of you are either, despite my heated comments before. I want to give people the benefit of the doubt. But saying things like "best not to bite the hand that feeds you" makes light of me, the work I do, and the effort I put in. It makes it sound like the customer is doing me a huge favor, letting me serve them. We work in service industries. We are not servants.

You have the absolute right to expect good customer service. While the store is open.

IwannaBeDelgadaEnMiPrada · 23/07/2017 10:14

I used to work in a place where we manually closed our drawer for the day, but as an employee it was frustrating that even at 17.29 (in my case) we weren't allowed to say ''sir, it may be frustrating for you that you want to open an account for you, your wife and three of your children now at 17.29 and we have closed our system, but employees' spouses are waiting outside for them, employees will miss trains accommodating you, employees children are at creches............

the selfishness and thoughtlessness of people amazed me when I was on the other side of the counter.

andintothefire · 23/07/2017 10:15

This thread has been eye opening to me in terms of store policies. I would never expect to go into a shop after closing time, but it never occurred to me that they would refuse to complete purchases at bang on closing time. I think I always assumed that shops would pay staff until a certain time to give them leeway to complete transactions that were already in process (or for customers who were already queuing).

I think this again shows how poorly low wage employees are often treated by large businesses. Poor customer service policies from Laura Ashley and very poor policies regarding staff from many large retailers. No wonder online shopping is killing the high street.

C0untDucku1a · 23/07/2017 10:18

Ive worked in Laura ashley. The doors were always closed ten minutes before closing time, but not locked obviously as customers were still in.

You could have a policy of not letting people in after a certain point, but it doesnt mean someone who walked in at 5pm wasnt still faffing around / trying on outfits etc at 6. Some people spend A LONG TIME in shops.

The tills automatically shut down at 6? So you couldnt physically buy the item.

The stores assistants get paid until 6pm. Zero chance of being paid extra. Fewer buses at that time of day in most places. Arguing with you could have meant waiting an extra hour for a bus.

Anyway, you said it wasnt the advisor tou had issue with but LA? Ok, so what if they did have the staff on until 6.15? Do you think they would do that in every store just in case someone wanted to buy something after closing time? That would add up to a lot of wasted money. And what stops someome having the same Argument at 6.15???

I go into tesco ten minutes before closing sometimes to grab spmething and rush to check out. I woldnt dream of walzing in ten mins before closing amd starting a week's shop that would make me and asshat

Yabu

Glumglowworm · 23/07/2017 10:20

I think it's a brilliant system!

There's a special corner of hell for people who go into shops 1 minute before closing and linger. Also people who phone call centres 1 minute before closing.

Be an adult and plan your day so you do your shopping before closing time and aren't inconveniencing other people with your own disorganisation

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