Last day of term

[tazmaniandevil]

Why on earth does school have to close at 13:45 on the last day of term? What is the purpose of this? Confused!!!!

I meant can't use bleach

@accidentalbride thank you for clearing that up. I agree people have equally as hard jobs. Teachers don't say their jobs are harder than others, in fact I've never heard that come from one teachers mouth, and I know a lot. I think the main issue regarding teachers jobs is that they are constantly defending themselves from people saying their jobs are easy. Which understandable is very frustrating. Also it's important to add, as already mentioned in this thread, teachers don't actually get paid during holiday periods. It's averaged over 12 months (but that's not what you're complaining about)

@cattymccatface I'm paid for 39 weeks and it's spread across 52 weeks. I am not paid for 52 weeks.

My salary works the same as other school staff. The exception is senior management......!!!!

wish we did!

@cattymccatface i work in a school, not a teacher, and my pay is divided by 12. I do not get paid for the holidays. I assumed it was the same for teachers, as a teacher had previously said this in the thread. If that is not the case then I apologise. But tbh teachers pay is pretty shite, convo for another thread. But my pay isn't far off my class teachers

@Lallypop my HLTA takes home £100 lesa than me a month (after my tax and student loans) and she works 30 hours less than me a week. She's an absolute angel and deserves more money TBH...all my TA's do as well!

What are all these other jobs that are so much easier?

I've got one. I am a university lecturer. I am very glad my students are grown ups.

@sarahrellyboo1987 I'm a HLTA. I dropped out of my teaching degree because of this and also because the work load of teachers is ridiculous. So I have so much respect for teachers and the truth is I just haven't got the energy to do what you do. I know at 4.30 I can leave my job behind. Teachers don't have that option. The truth is you deserve a lot more £££ for what you do.

Sarahrellyboo1987 Support staff work 39 weeks (some 38 if they do not have to do the training days) but also get paid holidays so are paid for around 45 weeks.

bastedyoungturkey - I'd do the same if I was a teacher. What a job and a half that must be!

If you are a teacher you are paid for 52 weeks. Check Teachers Pay and Conditions document issued by DfE.

CattyMcCatface

Lallpop Anyone working in a school is not actually paid during the holiday periods. It's divided by 12!

Except for teachers they are paid for 52 weeks.

I believe teachers are actually paid for 1265 hours per annum, so unless you are saying they only work around 25 hours a week, definitely NOT 52 weeks. As someone else posted, they are paid monthly for 12 months, but this is as much for ease of administration as anything else.

@sarahrellyboo1987 - And agree with you completely!

Some people seem to think school exists to provide childcare for them. Parents sense of entitlement astonishing usually these parents have the most horrendous children in class. Wonder why?

@cattymccatface like I said if I was wrong then I'm sorry. Teachers pay is pretty poor. As I said before I earn a similar amount to the class teacher. I'm a HLTA without a degree in my specialised subject.

@tofudeepfried you are totally right. That's the sad thing about dealing with certain parents

Fed up of teachers banging on about how hard their job is, wake up, most people have a hard, stressful job, with less holidays. What are all these other jobs that are so much easier?

Don't go on teaching threads then. And don't socialise with teachers.

Everyone moans about how stressful their job is (e.g. Not just teachers), but teachers just get flack because they get the holidays
Fwiw, we use the afternoon and the following two days after the kids go for cleaning, handovers (autocorrect changed that to 'hangovers', which is nearly right haha!) preparing books, finishing filing etc etc.
I love my job and I love the holidays too

I know a school which closes at 11.30 am on last day of term! How inconvenient could they possibly make it for parents!

I'm a teacher and this post makes me soooooo mad. The kids may finish early but I have to decamp and move to my new class. This won't take an afternoon or even a day, this will take me at least a week as all my equipment has to be sorted, tidied and moved. Added to which all new displays have to be made and put up ready for September. When doing this I have to take my 9 year old with me as I don't have any childcare provision during the holidays. Towards the end of the holiday I will go in again for another 2 or 3 days to make sure all plans and resources are ready for the start of the new term. All this time comes out of my holiday! Added to which I'm normally in by 7 and NEVER finish before 6 and I always take some marking or planning home with me for the evening once my child is asleep. I pride myself on teaching everyone of the children in my care to the best of my ability and as I work at a school that is Outstanding in all areas, second best is completely unacceptable. I'm fine and I'm happy to provide this service but when someone has the audacity to complain about a couple of hours when plenty of notice has been given, it really pisses my off!

We are most definitely only paid for 195 days of work over the year. The year my school shut due to strike action for one day, they took 1/195th of my salary to cover it. There's an element of the number of holidays that we are due, just like TAs etc. But the rest is time off, but unpaid.

As for not remembering training days, AcademicOwl. They didn't have them. Teachers lost 5 days of holidays when 'Baker days' were brought in for training days.

Inset at the end of the year or in the middle of a term is ok. A day or more at the start of a new academic year means that the HT gets to go over the School development plan and kick start the round of things that have been identified as wanting to be improved that year - as well as the practicalitie of setting up new timetables and getting ready for the new class.

My partner teacher is retiring (lucky her) and I will spend my training day doing child protection training, getting my room ready and bringing the new teacher up to speed with what they need to do. And that's AFTER I spend time sorting and tidying my classroom, moving everything up for the new class, making sure I'm up to speed with my new class and meeting with the new teacher....all in the holidays.

@accidentalbride is either totally ignorant or deliberately being a GF.

No teacher has said that their job is more stressful than any other. It's horses for courses - I think all jobs have their stresses and strains.

As I've said before, if you want six weeks holiday in the summer, then become a teacher.

When I taught in Scotland, my contract and pay was for a 35 hour week. Most weeks I'd done 35 hours by Wednesday......the people who would have lost out if I'd been a jobsworth and stuck to the 35 hours would have been the kids. Hence why no teacher in Scotland is a clock watcher.

Ours finish at 1pm. They have to make sure they children who are free school meals get their lunch and then they get a registration mark which on paper will indicate that the children have been there all day! I think it is ridiculous to keep having all these half days at the end of every term. Teachers might be tired but so are most people in various other professions! Teachers seem to think they are the only ones who take work home or do a bit of overtime; the rest of us however, only get 4 weeks off work!

Angelofthesouth84 - don't be ridiculous. The summer holidays are well deserved by all (teachers and non-teaching staff). Some teachers I know barely do anything but eat, sleep and work in term time.

Lots of people have a bit of a moan about their jobs.

The difference between teaching and other jobs is that every Tom, dick and Harry (along with what seems like 50% of MN!) think they know how to do our job better. They wouldn't dare start talking about law, charity sector, science industry, medicine etc because it would be instantly clear they don't know what they're on about. The thing with teaching is that because they know a couple of acronyms and have had kids they're somehow bloody experts who could do our job.

... despite that, all these arm chair teachers haven't signed up and we still have a retention crisis. probably because people see these armchair critics and think 'I couldn't be arsed dealing with that on parents' evening