To think I should be paid more than the cleaner?

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I really dislike my current job so my general annoyance may be U because of that and I'm desperate to leave. I started a few months ago after being made redundant, during the interview I said I wanted £xk salary, they offered £xk-10k, this was a 20k drop in my pre-redundancy salary but I figured any job at the time is better than eating my way through my redundancy payment.

So I went to think it over and in the meantime received another offer for £xk-5k, my now employer wouldn't match the salary, they were adamant they need to keep salaries low for the business sake, but it was supposed to be a better role, no commute, more responsibility etc.

Today, the finance director who sits next to me was talking to someone and mentioned the salary for the cleaner, which works out at over £10 an hour more than I get and pretty much double any rates I've ever seen advertised for cleaners. I was pretty much gobsmacked and the more I think about it the more annoyed I'm getting.

I fully accept I made a mistake when choosing the job, and it was severely mis-sold however the salary issue is really bugging me. My business function, 10 years of experience, and spending the last few months increasing their revenue and rectifying stupid mistakes they've made because they hire people with no experience and no idea how to train them because none of the management team have worked in the business function I do, to keep their salary costs down, brings far more value to the company than the cleaner. AIBU to think I should be paid more?!

Op - commercial cleaners do earn that much, however I think you may have miscalculated the overall salary . I very much doubt that a cleaner works an 8 hour shift in a day, hence , it wouldn't amount to that much money on an annual basis. He/she prob only works for two or three hours in the day , which would mean they earn at least half of what you earn!

TheFirstMrs What the OP means, is that IF the cleaner was to work full time on the rate she is earning THEN she would be earning 20k more than OP

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To be fair, I've caused a few hundred pounds worth of damage over my cleaning career.

I would be seeing this job as a temporary job while I was looking for another job!

I doubt very much that the cleaner is working full-time for that £25/hr, very few cleaners work in one place full-time, it would have to be a massive building or very dirty! My sister works as a cleaner but through a company, she works as a pair and the company charges the client £35 per hour per pair, my dsis and her friend will get around £8 per hour for that!
Btw, cleaners work really hard, in a society which looks down at 'menial' workers/jobs, they should be entitle to a decent wage, just like anyone who is willing to work hard.

Become a cleaner?

Quit and become a cleaner.

The cleaner wont be working 40 hours a week. If you think it is an easy job then do it. Complaining here wont help you at all.

Comparing a full time job to a cleaning contractor using an hourly rate is just stupid.

Good on them for going out there and working

You're employed now rather than being unemployed. Start looking for another job. You could tell them if you enjoyed your job hoping they'd match the salary but that's unlikely given they didn't last time. Enjoy telling them you've found a better job where they value you.

The company may pay £10 an hour for her services but if she is employed via an agency, there is no way she will get £10 an hour, probably half that with the agency taking the rest.

The cleaner is probably being paid to complete a job. How large is the office and is the location remote/ difficult to get to ? If you're out in the sticks and it only takes an hour to clean your office, they would struggle to recruit someone to travel a distance for an hours work. She probably only works an hour or two max per day.

Instead of comparing yourself to the cleaner, you should be trying to find out what the other staff are getting paid - how much is the payroll clerk on, or equivalent jobs to youself.

But you would probably be better of looking for something else, cause life is too short to be stuck in a job you loathe.

Just but as the cleaner doesn't have a salaried, full time job, the hourly rate is irrelevant.

So the OP makes no sense at all

You make no sense at all. She doesn't work full time so the hourly rate is irrelevant.
A DPM should be earning a decent salary if they're skilled and experienced and carry more responsibility. If that's your case, you're massively underpaid and should be looking for a new position.
However, I find your post highly unprofessional. Airing dirty laundry on a parental forum, comparing yourself to someone whose position has fuck all to do with you is unprofessional and borderline asinine.

They called your bluff when you said you want them to match an offer.

Leave, they will never pay you more than they do now because you stayed.

Like holly bolly boobly said, cleaner is unlikely to have the perks that that you get.

In one of my incarnations, I ran a commercial cleaning company (hands on) and it's not an easy job - a job with responsibility and repercussions if it's not done properly, like any other . She probably earns every penny of what she gets & then some, You shouldn't be so dismissive because "she's just a cleaner"

Two decades ago, my nanny was earning more than I was & had better perks! It's accepted because it's necessary to get a professional to do what is required.

Don't diss the cleaner, if you're unhappy with what was negotiated, that's on you. Sorry.

TheFirstMrsDV

Just but as the cleaner doesn't have a salaried, full time job, the hourly rate is irrelevant.

So the OP makes no sense at all confused

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Why are so many thinking they are more worth than a cleaner ? I pay my cleaner well above the national wage BECAUSE SHES WORTH IT !!!!!
Get over yourself or get a job as a cleaner.

@stillonthatbloodycompiter I so agree with you! I don't have a cleaner because I can't afford one. But if I did I would pay them all my wages in thanks!

I don't think people realise how substantial cleaners are to everyday businesses/homes. Would you go to a hospital if it was dirty with mess everywhere? Obviously no. Yet it's the doctors and surgeons that are praised for saving lives. Maybe praise the cleaners too for making it possible for everything to be sanatised to help save these lives

Why are so many thinking they are more worth than a cleaner

Because certain skills, educational requirements, job and career environments are worth more in terms of the market rates?

But the thing is, the op isn't even close To being paid less than the cleaner. She can't understand the difference between the rate paid to a self employed contractor to undertake a task and the hourly rate of pay given to an employee.

And she's supposedly. In charge of product management? No wonder she's couldn't find a schmuck dumb enough to pay close to what she earned in a previous job.

I am well aware of the difference between employed and self employed rates, especially as I was self employed for several years. The cleaner however is employed, so irrelevant. You however have missed the point.

I never actually said I had a problem with the cleaner's rate, my point was how they'd repeatedly made a big fuss over keeping everyone's salaries low, they accepted they were paying me below market rate because of this supposed strategy, yet they pay the cleaner over double the market rate.

However, I find your post highly unprofessional. Airing dirty laundry on a parental forum, comparing yourself to someone whose position has fuck all to do with you is unprofessional and borderline asinine.

Like all the other work related posts on MN then? Because all posts on here should relate to parenting? Not to mention the fact the forum is anonymous, hardly publicly airing any dirty laundry here.

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it's this kind of answer that stops people asking questions

ah sorry, the messages don't come up under the one you click on it seems!
Having been a cleaner and other better paid jobs, I agree that it's possible the cleaner is paid through an agency so you can halve the amount you overheard.
But I don't think the posters question was unfair or insulting or a reason for some posters to start having a pop at the poster.
I've done other jobs too where I've needed to spend time and money studying and I expect that to be reflected in my wage. It isn't always but I take it rather than be unemployed and then look around once I have the job.

Wtf is a Digital Product Manager?

Haven't read everything, but suspect that is the amount the company pays the agency to hire the cleaner, which will be a lot less than the agency's price .