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To wonder if she is jumping the gun a bit?

55 replies

Lunchtimeburrito · 10/07/2017 11:55

My cousin has a 7 yr old dd.
The dd has never been girly, she absolutely hates anything pink or sparkly and refuses to wear girls clothes or play with dolls and the like and prefers things like Spider-Man & Batman.
Because of this my cousin has decided that dd must be transgender and wants to take her to the gp to get her hormones etc tested!
Now, imo, if the dd is transgender then having a mum who is supportive is fantastic but I can't help but think that my cousin is jumping to conclusions and maybe making something out of nothing and surely the medical profession will not test a 7 year old for transgender issues but cousin is adamant her dd will probably want to be male in the future?!

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FishInAWetSuitAndFlippers · 10/07/2017 11:59

They don't test people for being transgender Confused

The GP might refer her for counselling, in which case the counsellor will hopefully see this isn't coming from the child.

Lunchtimeburrito · 10/07/2017 12:02

She seems to think dd has more male hormones than female Confused

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BarbaraofSeville · 10/07/2017 12:03

Do girls who like Batman have different hormones to those who like sparkly pink things? Confused.

AnnoyedByAlfieBear · 10/07/2017 12:04

That's daft.

Also, I didn't think that there was much difference hormone wise until puberty?

frieda909 · 10/07/2017 12:08

I'm no expert in this area but I really don't think any doctor will view a child as transgender just because she likes spider man instead of dolls.

If she is actually insisting that she IS a boy then that's a different story.

BlahBlahBlahEtc · 10/07/2017 12:09

I was just like this girl, I was always with boys doing what boys do, I never played with dolls or wore pink, I had no interest in "girly stuff". I'm 31..still a female and have no aspiration to be anything otherwise.

Alexkate2468 · 10/07/2017 12:09

If we go by this logic, then I'm very confused about my dd. What should I do about her wearing her batman pyjamas whilst playing with her sylvannian families? Or wearing her tutu whilst playing with her Hulk figure? Or the days she's in her batman pjs with her toy garage and car mat?
I dont get assigning toys to a specific gender.

astoundedgoat · 10/07/2017 12:10

Your cousin is mental and is basically contributing to the latest wave of the oppression of women which says that any female who dares to step outside the Betty Draper model of pink, dirndl-skirt-wearing femininity is actually a man.

I swear to fucking God that we are less than 10 years away from saying that any woman who is professionally successful (Angela Merkel, Theresa May, Nicola Sturgeon, Mary Barra (CEO of General Motors) etc.) is actually displaying male tendencies (i.e. being successful) and is probably really a man. That's the next logical step in this madness.

Lj8893 · 10/07/2017 12:14

Wtf??

Hormone testing for transgender?! That's not a thing! Shit, what do I need to do about my dd who is currently watching sleeping beauty whilst wearing her Spider-Man costume?!

RhubardGin · 10/07/2017 12:15

Absolutely ridiculous.

So she's not letting her DD be herself but deciding that being a tomboy isn't normal and she MUST want to be a boy?

Hopefully the GP tells her to get a fucking grip!

I love superhero movies and not a huge fan of dresses....maybe at 27 I've just been transgender all along?

Hmm
MyheartbelongstoG · 10/07/2017 12:16

Say nothing op and let her go to her Doctor. I bet he/she would love a good laugh!

Goldmandra · 10/07/2017 12:19

Yes, she is jumping the gun.

Does she think every girl that doesn't like pink glittery shit is transgender or is it just her own child?

My DD presented as a boy in terms of name, haircut, clothing, etc from that age of four to fourteen. She has recently discovered dresses, nail art and make-up and loves them. However, she still has a boyish haircut and wears her boys' clothing a lot of the time too.

She isn't transgender; she is just her own person, making her won choices without feeling pressured to fit into a stereotype.

I would ask your cousin why she needs to fit her child into a gender stereotype in order to be happy.

DereksGotATail · 10/07/2017 12:20

Dd1 wanted to be a boy when she grew up. She loved football, constantly wore football kits and didn't like anything deemed girly. She was not transgender Confused just a child growing up.

BarbaraofSeville · 10/07/2017 12:22

Well Mary Barra must be a man if she heads a company that makes cars goat. How could a woman possibly achieve that?

The sooner this fad that suggests that, if one's interests fall outside what is generally the norm their own sex they must be trans, the better.

Some girls like batman, some boys like princess costumes, it doesn't change their sex and sexist concepts like male and female brains have been proven to not exist.

Not one 'I feel like a woman' trans person is able to identify what this actually means without relying on sexist stereotypes involving dresses and glamour. What you wear and what you look like, doesn't indicate what sex you are and gender is a made up concept that is cobblers.

ineedamoreadultieradult · 10/07/2017 12:27

I can't help thinking all this labelling kids as transgender is some sort of horrible ticking time bomb. I wanted to be a boy so much when I was growing up, I told everyone to call me Richard and even used to try and pull one of my vaginal lips to make it into a penis. But I am now a happy 33 year old woman. I still only wear a dress once in a blue moon and don't wear make up but that doesn't make me any less of a woman.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 10/07/2017 12:27

Show your cousin [[https://www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/
this article]] about what puberty blocking drugs can do to children.

They are NOT harmless, reversible medicine that gives kids time to think.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 10/07/2017 12:28

Sorry, this is the proper link. www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

Morphene · 10/07/2017 12:30

The fact there is no medical test for transgenderism, is a very serious problem. What the hell ARE the diagnostic criteria?

Without a testable criteria, how can any of this be addressed, and people who may or may not wish to transition decide if it will be te right course of action for them?

StatelessPrincess · 10/07/2017 12:31

Your cousin is mental and is basically contributing to the latest wave of the oppression of women which says that any female who dares to step outside the Betty Draper model of pink, dirndl-skirt-wearing femininity is actually a man.
This^ it's vile actually. When I was little I hated pink and refused to wear skirts or dresses, I used to try and pee standing up all the time too. Thank God I was born in the 80's and have sensible parents.

Lunchtimeburrito · 10/07/2017 12:32

I really do hope the gp puts her right. I have, gently, tried disuading her from thinking this way and letting her dd just be but she seems to be on a mission.

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demirose87 · 10/07/2017 12:32

Yes she is jumping the gun. From what you have written, I don't think there is anything to suggest she's transgender. Yes, there may be signs but I don't think its enough to start labelling her right away. Some girls are more tomboyish than others, some boys may be more effeminate, this doesn't always mean they want to be opposite sex. I think her best bet would be to observe her, keeping an open mind, not pushing for it to be confirmed. It will be a long process and she is only at the beginning, if she is transgender. It could do more harm than good, getting ideas put in her head and could be very confusing for the child.

emmyrose2000 · 10/07/2017 12:32

WTH? There is something seriously wrong with your cousin. She needs to see the GP for herself; hopefully he'll send her for the psych evaluation she obviously needs.

sadsquid · 10/07/2017 12:33

I am pro trans rights but your cousin sounds like a muppet. Apart from anything else, there is no blood test to determine whether someone is transgender. Confused Hopefully the GP will correct her, hopefully the daughter will carry on forging her own path and not be pushed into one identity or another by the adults around her.

Clandestino · 10/07/2017 12:33

Your cousin is bonkers.
My DD is a tomboy. I wouldn't even entertain the idea of dragging her to any kinds of tests. At 7, this is just mad.

TabascoToastie · 10/07/2017 12:34

Your cousin is mental and is basically contributing to the latest wave of the oppression of women which says that any female who dares to step outside the Betty Draper model of pink, dirndl-skirt-wearing femininity is actually a man.

THIS!!

The whole "label anyone who doesn't gender conform as trans" is deeply misogynistic, homophobic (and actually transphobic) and has absolutely nothing do with real trans people and everything to do with controlling women.