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to think this is why women don't leave their abusive husbands.

73 replies

OohMavis · 07/07/2017 10:47

Because if they're forced to flee, leaving everything behind because they're in danger, they will be completely left to rot.

This is what's happening to my friend. She's left him, he attacked their child and she went to stay miles away with her brother in a tiny one-bedroom flat. She and her four children are sleeping on a sofabed in his living room.

The nearest refuge with space is in Wales, we're in the southeast. There is no emergency housing available. She's been given precisely nothing in the way of emergency funds, been told they'll (the council) give her a bond deposit scheme and housing benefit that won't even cover half the rent for a house that will be suitable, or even one that will not be suitable. Not that she can find a place, landlords openly declare they won't take the bond scheme OR housing benefit tenants.

So she's fucked. Skint. Homeless. The kids are traumatised and nobody can do anything.

She isn't considering going back to him, but it's so easy to see why she would.

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MusicForTheJiltedGeneration · 07/07/2017 12:42

Why hasn't he been arrested for attacking a child Shock

What legal advice has she had?

AlbusPercival · 07/07/2017 12:42

Completely agree, my poor sister is in an almost identical situation. It's so shit.

user1495451339 · 07/07/2017 12:44

I love the way someone always suggests getting a job as a solution for someone with 4 (probably traumatised) children to look after, no home and no money. She has just moved miles away so the kids probably don't have any childcare or school sorted out, I can't imagine her brother would be able to look after them either.

ellenripleysbiceps · 07/07/2017 12:45

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HipsterHunter · 07/07/2017 12:51

What can we do, in a real practical sense to help these women

Raise awareness.

Donate money or time.

Provide practical support where you can if nay friends/acquaintances are ever in a bad situation.

Zaphodsotherhead · 07/07/2017 12:52

Just back to add - my friend was considered voluntarily homeless because she'd never pressed any DV charges against her husband. The police had been called on numerous occasions by neighbours and her son (!) but because there were no charges, she couldn't use DV as her reason for leaving.

Just putting this out there, as an indication of what happens when charges aren't pressed...

HipsterHunter · 07/07/2017 12:52

I do think we need much more of a movement away from women getting into situations where they are financially dependent on men actually.

Be the higher earner. don't give up work when you have children. Don't have more children than you could look after if everything went tits up.

Education, self esteem, much support earlier in life.

brasty · 07/07/2017 12:52

I put up a work colleague fleeing an abusive relationship. Because she had no kids, she was not seen as a priority. The local refuge often has to turn women away because of lack of spaces.

PoorYorick · 07/07/2017 12:53

That is horrific. Do the police know that he attacked their child? I'll bet a pound to a penny it wasn't the first time he's been violent.

brasty · 07/07/2017 12:54

And my colleague was working. But if you are low paid you don't necessarily have the money for a deposit, etc. I let her stay rent free so she could save and rent somewhere.

Janeismymiddlename · 07/07/2017 12:56

what can we do?

In a nutshell, not accept 'austerity' and benefit cuts because this is one woman who will be massively impacted by the 'not paying anything for more than 2 children' (assuming she had no tax credit claim already open). So stop voting Conservative would be a start.

In social terms, remove the stigma attached to single parenting because a factor in not leaving is 'how will people view me'? Remembering of course that women who have been ground down in this way have their self-esteem all tied up in their partner and have been told that they are nothing without them. Ensure that women who have had to leave such relationships are empowered sufficiently to not have to accept another crap relationship - which means counselling, secure and affordable housing, a legal system which doesn't force an abused woman into having to see her ex every 5 minutes to hand over children, affordable childcare, support for children who have witnessed abuse, ensure that prosecution is swift and that defence lawyers don't get away with abusive questioning in court.........

In short, become part of the solution - understand the wider issues and how your choices can impact on people less fortunate than yourself.

houseinamess · 07/07/2017 12:57

I find it truly unbelievable that abused women are treated this way in this country in 2017. I feel sick. love, that is such a kind offer, I hope it is taken up. I thought loads of help and support was available to abused women but apparently not . What a disgrace to us as a nation.

user1489675144 · 07/07/2017 13:02

It is a dreadful situation and if you can help constant pressing of the local housing department to help her is needed. Local MP may be able to help since she should be top of the housing list.
Good luck to her and her children.
I would add on a slight tangent that men also suffer abuse - my brother had physical, emotional, and financial abuse - vile woman who kept their children when it suited and he lost everything but ended up with a lovely new woman and ex wife has gone from man to man. Children grew up and having looked back could see with adult eyes that dad did everything he could and what I am trying to say is do the best for you and your children no matter how dire housing is at present it will get better and much better than staying in a harmful relationship.

topofthemorningtoyou · 07/07/2017 13:03

I hope this isn't too much of a derail..

Does anyone know if there's a statute of limitations on assault charges if they are DV related?

I have a friend I am encouraging to leave at the moment. She was beaten 7 years ago and has a witness to this but did not inform police. Is it too late for her to now follow this up?

Thanks.

topofthemorningtoyou · 07/07/2017 13:04

(I ask because he is now sexually abusing her, but she has no evidence of this and finds it too distressing to report. Whereas the assault she does have a witness)

WomblingThree · 07/07/2017 13:06

Yes, it's bloody awful, and maybe this will give the LTB crew pause for thought.

It just shows that although you know how shit your life is, it's not that easy to just up and go because "they" will help you. This thread proves that "they" don't have the resources to help.

@Ilove that's a fantastic way to pay it forward. Shame more people can't come up with concrete solutions like you.

HipsterHunter · 07/07/2017 13:07

@brasty your coworker was lucky to have someone in her life who could/would help her like that xx

SaucyJack · 07/07/2017 13:08

" Local MP may be able to help since she should be top of the housing list."

She'll be top of the list.... along with the X hundred/thousand women in the same situation who are also in the top priority banding.

user1489675144 · 07/07/2017 13:08

Janeismymiddle name - hear hear I agree with all you say

CosmoClock · 07/07/2017 13:09

Yes, there's a big myth peddled by everybody that women love their abusers and it's all so, so, so, so complicated and that that is the main reason they stay.

To begin with yes it 's difficult to confront the fact that a man you hoped would be a good man is an across the board abuser but as somebody who escaped with only what she could load on to a buggy, I will say that in my case what prevented me from leaving for so long was that I had nowhere to go and no money when I got there and that is the same for so many of us.

CosmoClock · 07/07/2017 13:10

Brasty Brew

user1489675144 · 07/07/2017 13:10

"She'll be top of the list.... along with the X hundred/thousand women in the same situation who are also in the top priority banding."

There is unlikely to be x hundred/thousand women fleeing domestic abuse with 4 children in a 1 bed flat with male family relative. in the MP's area.... the housing department do look at things case by case and she merits higher than vast majority would.

japonicaleaf · 07/07/2017 13:23

For your friend OP. Flowers

SasBel · 07/07/2017 13:26

Wonderful offer ilove
Hope she gets housed soon.

Notknownatthisaddress · 07/07/2017 13:26

What an upsetting situation to be in. And it's understandable to leave an abusive and controlling ex.

This is what gets me though. Although MN is great, and women do support each other (amongst the spats!) they are too quick to say leave the bastard! Sometimes for very petty things. I mean, even if he is just a sulky git sometimes, who goes silent for an afternoon when he can't get his own way, or if he doesn't do the washing up (ever!) or he watches too much crap reality tv! They say LEAVE.

It's just not that easy. Where are you meant to go? And how are you meant to survive financially? Unless you are a professional, or at the top of your career ladder on 50K plus, you are going to be living on or below the poverty line as a single woman/single mother.

Not all of us spent our 20's and early 30's working in skyscrapers in central London on 40-50K, and many women don't have the ability to earn more than minimum wage. Many women would seriously compromise their lifestyle if they decided to go it alone, and often, tolerating a partner who is a bit of a dick sometimes, who is clingy, who noses at your texts, who watches too much sport, and who doesn't do much housework is preferable to a life of penury.

There have been a few threads on here over the past few weeks from women saying they are fed up of their partner/husband, for one reason or another, and most of the reasons were trivial and resolvable. With counselling and talking to them and communicating, the relationship could probably be salvaged, yet people just say LEAVE. NOW.

Like I said, leave and go where? Bunk down on your adult children's floor? Kip on a mate's couch? (while the kids sleep in the garden shed!) Go into b & b? Go into expensive and transient private let? (If you're not on benefits! Because many landlords won't accept benefit tenants.)

Now of course if there is bad abuse, physical/mental etc and you and your kids are in danger, then you must seek help. But you will need to report it, and involve the police and social services and the C A B etc, otherwise you won't get the support.

When women are beaten and threatened by their partner, it does piss me off when people suggest someone 'just leaves' when they have a partner who's just a bit of an arse!

'Get your ducks in a row, get your paperwork in order, and get a full time job, be self sufficient, and independent.' Like it's THAT easy.

And all the women suggesting this, have always had an EX who was a bit of a dick. No-one ever admits they are still with someone like that. And every single one says their life is wonderful now they have left their clingy moaning DH. I am not sure I believe it to be honest. The only women I have known who are divorced/separated, are struggling to survive, and are certainly not 'having a wonderful life.'

Even women who don't have kids at home anymore find it hard to leave, because they have often been with the husband for 25-35 years, they have a whole lifetime together, lots of joint finances together, extended family together, and grandchildren, etc. And the woman who has spent much of her adult life raising the kids and looking after the family and home, has very little - or no ability to go out and get a well paid full time job with enough of a salary to sustain a place of her own, and maintain her current lifestyle.

So as I said, and like the OP said, it's no wonder many women stay.

I don't know what to suggest for the OP's friend, other than getting other parties involved, like social services.

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