Mullerlight yogurts and mugshots should come with a health warning

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I started doing .SW at home with the help of lots of online resources. I've never contemplated going to a class, as years ago I went to a WW one and couldn't bear it.

I hear a SW class is even more cringy
Anyhow, 'syning' (what an awful word) things like houmous and avocado, and demonising olive oil , while pushing shite like mullerlighs and mugshots seems to be the order of the day. (Friend lasted six weeks but has now left)

Looking at the ingredients of both yesterday while shopping, i couldn't help thinking they looked like they were made in a laboratory,- lots of awful additives and chemicals.

AIBU to think Sw shouldn't be allowed to promote these 'foods' when they are anything but healthy.
Also, does anyone know if Mullerlight sponsor Slimming World?

I've been to plenty of classes and I can assure you the class leaders beat the muller/ mugshot/ fry lite drum pretty hard. And tell you to eat more. Fill your plate. That you must never be hungry, et

No, they don't tell you that you mustn;t be hungry at all, that's your interpretation of what they're saying.
They say there's no reason to go hungry on SW, as there's always something you can have and still lose weight.
Again, you don't HAVE to have muller light/mugshots, they're just telling you that's something you can eat as a free food.
I never eat either.

WW worked well for me, but I'm not loving it now they have switched to SmartPoints and penalise sugars and sat fats so highly. I know sugar is the devil but I would like to be able to have some without such a high point value.

Sugar really isn't. Not if consumed in moderation anyway. No foods are. It's about moderation. But they're not going to tell you that because then they'd lose your membership. A real gym bunny friend of mine went to a SW class for six months. Lost half a stone. Went to WW. Lost another half. Started doing her online diet on instagram and cooking some amazing foods from recipes on pinterest etc. 4stone down and she looks bloody amazing. The only thing that has cost her is the gym which she was already doing, and the food. She shops at Aldi.

No food is banned at Slimming World - it's up to the individual to choose their foods within the guidelines. That includes convenience foods if that's what people want and they advise them to have those which are lower in fat and sugar than others they were eating before. Nuts are listed under the healthy extras on Slimming World so they are definitely allowed! Cooking from scratch with fresh natural ingredients is positively encouraged at Slimming World. I have lost three and a half stone with SW without eating muller light yogurts, Mugshots or Hifi bars. You are encouraged to eat until satisfied not until you are stuffed. A third of each meal is supposed to consist of fruit and vegetables so there is portion control. I love avocados and manage to fit them into the eating plan on a regular basis. I do wish that people wouldn't criticise Slimming World without knowing the actual facts, just latching onto comments made by people who don't seem to understand it properly. Also there is some truth in the "not eating enough" comments - before going to Slimming World I counted calories and when I did this strictly my weight loss totally stopped. With Slimming World I actually eat more, never go hungry and have a steady weight loss.

If you stay close to your target weight, you can attend classes for free for the rest of your life if you want to

The close to target range is 3lb. Anyone who has heavy AFs and can easily put 5lb on in AF week will have to pay.

Tequila that is word for word what the leaders said. Never be hungry. People were encouraged to tell the group they never felt hungry.

Anyone who was hungry hadn't eaten enough. Were they having 3 cooked meals a day, all their syns, etc?

We were told not to eat too much fruit. Have a muller instead!

"What's a mug shot?

I think it's a brand of Cup of Soup. smile"

Google is your friend for things like this.

It's dried pasta and sauce in a cup. You just add water. Not very nutritious and not big enough to fill you, but quick and easy to have as something at work or if you're staying in a hotel room or something. At one point they were selling 3 for a pound in poundland so very cheap as well.

Carbs for energy before exercise. Protein after. Food is fuel. All this advice is free and easily accessible on the internet. It won't you £20+ a month either.

I don't 'get' diet food. A low fat yoghurt or ready meal etc doesn't taste as good. Surely far better to re-educate your tastebuds and learn to enjoy salad, fruit, veg etc (food which is meant to be low fat) and then have a little of the 'proper' stuff? I have a 15 month old so now always buy full fat dairy, and its so much nicer! This may be why I haven't quite finished losing my baby weight . We now think much more about the food we eat and so do eat more fruit and veg so we can model good behaviours. I do wonder when people are eating a mugshot etc at work, wouldn't they be more filled up by a big bowl of veg soup or salad with protein? And also then not feel the urge to snack as much...

*cost you

The close to target range is 3lb. Anyone who has heavy AFs and can easily put 5lb on in AF week will have to pay

No they won't, you are given (I think) 3 weeks to get back within your target range before you have to pay.

They are also well aware of and sympathetic to the effect that some women's cycle has on their weight. It was discussed several times in the group I went to - one particular member wanted to get to her target by a certain date when she was going travelling for 3 months and in the weeks leading up to it it was all about 'I'll be stuffed that week because it's going to be my heavy week' she missed her target by a pound but we were all cheering for her because if she wasn't period bloat she would have made it.

I think the problem with slimming world, much like other plans, is that it doesn't teach good eating habits and patterns. You need to be disciplined within the plan in order not to eat terribly and since people tend to go to slimming world and the like because they don't eat well, I don't think it's a helpful plan to be on. And I say this as the friend of someone who lost over 150lbs on it - it got the weight off her but did jackshit to teach her about healthy eating.

Weight watchers is slightly better in that it has less free foods and pretty much everything else has to be pointed. But it's not great.

I have done both of these plans and neither promote long term health imo. The only thing that does ime is logging food on the likes of my fitness pal as you really are encouraged to learn what's in your food and how to eat a balanced diet. You do still need to make sensible choices for yourself but it's much better than sw or ww.

You don't have to go to a class and hand over a fiver a week to know that demonising things like nut butters, avocado, and olive oil, and telling you you can eat unlimited chemical shite is just plain wrong

What about eating unlimited red meat, and processed pork priducts?? Bowel cancel hello..

Sugar really isn't. Not if consumed in moderation anyway. No foods are. It's about moderation. But they're not going to tell you that because then they'd lose your membership.

Yes, very true. I'm not sure why I don't just count calories again really. Oh well, won't take me long to get back to my goal weight. I maintained it for years but slipped back into old habits again.

Surely far better to re-educate your tastebuds and learn to enjoy salad, fruit, veg etc (food which is meant to be low fat) and then have a little of the 'proper' stuff

That's pretty much the Slimming World ethos. It's also possible to 'cheat' the plan quite a bit.

It's not a magic spell that you have to follow exactly for it to work. It's just calorie reduction simplified because most people cannot be arsed to weigh and measure everything that passes their lips and research has shown that people generally eat a consistent volume of food over time, so by reducing the calorie density of that food will naturally reduce calories consumed.

I don't like fat free yogurt or cottage cheese so just eat the full fat stuff but be mindful of the amount. You can eat a whole tub of fat free cottage cheese or yogurt, so I might have half a tub of full fat instead. I would usually have more cheese than allowed and still lost weight - it's restricting high fat, high sugar processed food and alcohol where most of the benefit lies.

What about eating unlimited red meat, and processed pork priducts?? Bowel cancel hello

Which is why they advise you to restrict these foods in line with general dietary advice.

Restricting what you eat in some way is likely to help you lose weight, even if it is not very healthy in other ways, and many people are desperate to lose weight and a) need help and rules to do so and b) find sweet things very hard to give up, so I can see why SW appeals to them. If just eating with moderation were easy, nobody would be obese.

I agree that Muller Lights etc are awful but nobody on SW has to eat them, presumably? Olive oil, avocados and nuts are fab, but they are very calorific and it might be hard to eat a lot of them and lose weight unless you are on a low carb diet.

I went to my first meeting last week and there was a Mug Shot and a Muller Lite pot on the table Also Canderel sweetener and a can of Diet Coke. And they promoted sugar free drinks and fat free yogurt quite heavily in the meeting which surprised me as dieting trends have swung the other way in recent years.

I'm going to do the plan, but I already know I get hideous withdrawal symptoms when I drink Diet Coke for a while and then stop, so I'm going to avoid all that.

I find most people put the weight back on because once they get to target they go off plan and leave group. There's plenty of diamond members..they are the ones that don't revert back to their old eating habits.

It works for me and I dont eat mullerlights. That picture isnt exactly telling you to eat mullerlights just giving you an example.

Everyone gets a bit ODD about chemicals, I am of the opinion that if it is on the shelf it's gone through strict food tests and it has been proven to be safe. It's like how people go on about aspartame and how it's the devil despite it being one of the most tested additives out there.

What's wrong with Fry Light? Makes fried food into a low calorie option.

Because it ignores the good in some fats/oils. Olive oil has a lot of vitamin E in it.

If you look at just calories then diet coke is a better option than fruit juice. But fruit juice has nutrients in it.

If you get a spray bottle and fill it half with sunflower oil and half with water you will get homemade fry light but without the emulsifiers, this means you have to shake it before you spray.

The same with low fat spreads, put a tub of margarine in a food processor and add water mix - home made low fat spread.

Personally I would prefer butter and olive oil and just cut the amounts.

I cannot get behind any diet that calls a type of food a sin - I am afraid that makes food the enemy and seems pretty irresponsible and potentially worrying if eating disorders are present.

Also the low fat shite which is stuffed full of sugar and chemicals is just wrong on so many levels.

"You don't have to go to a class and hand over a fiver a week to know that demonising things like nut butters, avocado, and olive oil, and telling you you can eat unlimited chemical shite is just plain wrong

What about eating unlimited red meat, and processed pork priducts?? Bowel cancel hello.."

You're not going to listen at all are you?

Posters here are telling you that you have got it wrong about SW but you are continuing with your misconceptions from unsolicited online info.

Absolutely fine if you feel the support you are getting from these online resources is helping you and you don't want to go to class etc.
But please don't bash SW via your misconceptions without even ever have been at a group. That really is a bit silly now isn't it

Yes, very true. I'm not sure why I don't just count calories again really. Oh well, won't take me long to get back to my goal weight. I maintained it for years but slipped back into old habits again.

If you eat 50 oranges a day you're still going to put on weight. I'm not a slim jim by any means but I have lost over a stone since learning not to GAF and just eating properly with treats and that's ON steroid medicine.

I once lost 7lb in one week about six months into a year at weight watchers. This was because I had a particular bad tooth infection needing a lot of abs and a lot of dental work doing and the dentist put me on a very strict diet. I'm talking boiled eggs and rice cakes for breakfast diet . Made me realise that I can do it on my own.

Let's all be honest... both these groups which I have had to join multiple times are the AA of comfort eaters
Hate these groups with equal measure
But off I pop just the same ... Lost 10 lb only 3 stone to go 😂😂😂😂😂😂

People go to SW because they want a plan to follow and support and hand holding. This is what they are paying for.

Of course it's not compulsory that they go there and are free to choose all manner of diets from the resources available online. If they want to low carb and lose weight while eating nut butters, avocado, and olive oil, that's perfectly up to them.

Plenty of people will lose weight that way too, but it's not a plan that works for everyone. For some it will be too expensive. For others they would like the option of being able to eat foods like pasta, bread, potatoes and still lose weight.

I know a few people who have attended classes. Without fail, they have said that mullerlights and mugshots, and some pasta packet thing was on the table every week that they went.

Also, for people saying to ignore what people say on Facebook and tube about slimming world,-most of those people also attend classes, so are speaking from experience.

I seem to have hit a nerve!I think there are some people in denial about the 'healthiness' .of the SW plan.