To ask - Jeremy Corbyn - PM

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There's stuff about how he thinks he'll be PM in 6 months. How the GLASTO coverage is a BBC plot to "see a MARXIST in power" etc etc but how?
TM is hardly going to call another election and Labor are likely to keep her long enough to get through the crap that is Brexit.

Apologies for all those thinking in thick but I don't see how JC has any even inkling of getting it, let alone a discussion on how much swing he'd need

I would say that the Conservatives have absolutely no interest in the human damage caused by market failures, of which there are manifold, but their interest may be piqued if they think that there are votes or profits to line their already wealthy pockets with at stake.

In addition to a properly independent inquiry, there needs to be sensible, proportionate, urgent action taken to support those currently housed in what we now know to be highly flammable buildings.

It must be absolutely terrifying to be living in a block with that cladding at the moment.

You come across as a bit trusting. That's nice, just keep believing what Theresa tells you. It'll all be fine

You come across as quite patronising, are you? Or is it because I don't subscribe to your world will end because of brexit then I'm just a fool.
I don't believe everything I'm told but I read and listen to a lot of political interviews articles and that is my opinion based on this. I don't think DD is making up what the negotiating position is when he discusses it in interviews as there is no value in doing that.

I know I would be considerably more worried if JC was negotiating
Only he wouldn't be, would he, it would be Keir Starmer. You know, in the same way that May isn't actually doing it, Davies is.

The cabinet's dealings with the DUP, in which they've awarded them £1b and the upper hand, aren't very inspiring in terms of negotiation outcomes tbh.

i disagree, i don't think any party is inherently evil, all politicians believe they're working for something positive. The tories have been pursing a free market agenda because they believe it's best for job creation, which it is, but it's clear across the world from looking at the rising tide of populism that there is now a case for some careful market intervention. I don't know why you'd infer the worst motives on every action other than for the sake of argument.

If you value freedom of speech, personal liberties and a functioning economy.
Exactly why I voted for Corbyn, oh and because I'm not childish enough to think that we'll end up in a marxist state.

I didn't use the term 'inherently evil', pottered.

Sounds like your polemic to me.

personally, I'm fed up with the vehemence of the debate - there are good people on every side in politics as well as bad ones. Let's stick to policy debate - I'm fed up with the tories evil, corbyn terrorist/messiah trope.

if North Korea is your idea of a great country to live in then Corbyn and Momentum are for you

it's hyperbole like that which backfired for the right-wing press and Conservative campaign for GE2017. Also backfired for them in 1974 with similar results, curiously enough. You go too extreme in your "Labour are so left-wing they're out to take all your houses!" rhetoric and people just think you're ranting wildly and dismiss you. (And I say this as someone who seriously, seriously dislikes Momentum for about thirty-seven separate reasons.)

There was a good article about how the working classes need to ask for their party back now (lots of stats re how working class voters swung to Tory in this GE, due to Labour being hijacked by the middle classes):

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/06/does-working-class-need-ask-its-labour-party-back

Also, another article linked to within it re how Jeremy Corbyn has courted 'socialism fans' at the expense of labour voters:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/04/jeremy-corbyn-has-attracted-socialism-fans-not-labour-voters

"...They view it not as a party of parliamentary government or opposition but as an opportunity to engage in demonstrations, protests, marches, and rallies — as well as thrilling social media battles against insufficiently radical Labour MPs (and their supporters). These are the people for whom Corbyn was speaking when he said: "We’re all in power. We just don’t realise it. We have the power to speak, to influence, to demonstrate, to demand."..."

Only he wouldn't be, would he, it would be Keir Starmer. You know, in the same way that May isn't actually doing it, Davies is

Just semantics really. The negotiating stance will be based on the cabinet view with JC as PM.

I haven't said any of those things, pottered.

I'm very happy to continue to stick to policy debate.

well you did say christina - ' Conservatives have absolutely no interest in the human damage caused by market failures,'

Having no interest in human damage surely qualifies you as being inherently evil in my book. Apologies if you don't see that.

Obfuscate all you want, Tories voted down safe housing. Tories cut public safety.

It is not going away.

Own it Tories.

Can you make any decent points, makeourfuture , instead of chanting? It brings to mind, "Four legs good; two legs bad" !

As a working class voter, I neither need nor want the middle classes to wage a revolution 'on my behalf' - it's not a hypothetical, philosophical debate in a student union - it's real life. My real life.

And when the self-styled wannabe proles have fucked it all up for me & mine they will have their comfortable lives to fall back on & lament, rehashing tales of 'fun demos' with their pals, whilst the rest of us are left to pick our way through the fall-out.

i look at my family faith, none of whom have a prayer of getting to university, and wonder what the hell Corbyn's doing for them - they won't even be able to get a job as they've got low skills quite possibly when he jacks the min wage up.

in fact I reckon I've got 2-3 siblings, and at least 4 DN that could be impacted by the min wage policy as they're in that section of easily replaceable cheap labour.

LadyinCement -
I think makeourfuture might still be in a deep trance after Glastonbury.

Own it cement.

Why is it that every single one of these pro-conservative threads never claims that their flagship austerity programme is working?

How can any criticism of labour policy be valid against that background?

Corbyn/Momentum supporters don't do debate, Lady. They do do chanting. It's all part of brainwashing course A101. They use sentence structure very much along the lines of Donald Trump's twitter feed. It becomes highly amusing after a while. There is a lot of similarity between Corbyn supporters and Trump supporters. If debate was used the great, big fat holes would show up immediately.

YY cement.

It's like a real life version of Pulp's Common People.

Frankie perhaps because it's possible to not like any of the available options?

How can you say that one policy violates any right to criticize the other party's platform? That's a race to the bottom and some really poor policy making. I don't like austerity. I don't like market failure. I don't like the tories introducing private firms into disability assessment. That doesn't mean I want Corbyn's basket of policies either, or think they're the answer.

And when the self-styled wannabe proles have fucked it all up for me & mine they will have their comfortable lives to fall back on & lament, rehashing tales of 'fun demos' with their pals, whilst the rest of us are left to pick our way through the fall-out.
Do you mind, I'm not a self styled prole; I'm benefit scrounging scum.
Still voting Labour...