To ask - Jeremy Corbyn - PM

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There's stuff about how he thinks he'll be PM in 6 months. How the GLASTO coverage is a BBC plot to "see a MARXIST in power" etc etc but how?
TM is hardly going to call another election and Labor are likely to keep her long enough to get through the crap that is Brexit.

Apologies for all those thinking in thick but I don't see how JC has any even inkling of getting it, let alone a discussion on how much swing he'd need

Lost

Where will the money come from initially and the tax revenue are less than expected?

Histiny actually I don't think there's anyone left that thinks that about May. Probably not even her.

I keep talking about t May on a Jc thread.

I'm just...astounded today at what she's getting away with. And people swallow it - I can't understand it!

Gah!!!!!

Now I'm confused about lost. Are you deploying sarcasm?!?!

Histiny time will tell if they do swallow it though.

Sorry lost didn't read properly. Should have known because you wrote more than a tweet length post.

I don't know what will happen! There appear to be people making all doom and gloom assumptions, so I thought I'd throw my version in there. It's easily as accurate as all those saying we'll be better off with St Theresa of Ass Sissi.

pottered, please don't put words into my mouth.

It was you who accused me of 'polemic' then used the term 'inherently evil'.

If you want a policy based debate, stick to it.

I'm afraid that I cannot agree that Blair had good solutions to housing, education or health though. He continued Thatcher's sell off of council housing, and introduced the free market into education and health.

No wonder Thatcher called him her finest achievement.

But even she wasn't a war monger in the same league as him.

Both the party leaders are currently presiding over very unstable coalitions, but mr corbyn is I think in a more precarious position over the long term. This combination of returning ukip voters and the "all tories are evil pay my/my kids tuition fees" middle class types are fundamentally opposed on so many things and I don't think corbyn has the skills to hold those two halves of his support in balance.
For the tories, however, the Brexit and immigration issues feel like they are closed. They might have achieved closure in a manner which pisses off people like me, but I'm not about to start voting for corbyn, so where else can I go? If they can cling on and wait for corbyn to drown in his own contradictions they may just do ok. Stranger things have happened. Corbyn has been dealt a good hand but he isn't smart enough to make it tell, I don't think.

Now I'm confused about lost. Are you deploying sarcasm?!?!

Honestly, I don't even know. I was just in a rather strange mood about everyone's certainties in one direction or the other and the enormous opinions that people serve up as if they were facts.

Actually, Karlos, it's an intriguing point, but I don't think returning UKIP voters and current Labour supporters are as diametrically opposed on the practical issues of health, education and housing as their political philosophies would have them, to be honest.

I know people to voted UKIP in 2015 to 'save the NHS' and voted Labour in the last GE for the same reason.

Yes, I remember the IMF. However, I have also done the research and it is a myth that Labour fiscal policy is worse than Tory policies, so it would seem unlikely that we'll be bankrupt.

@engtech. Start with this lecture - readable story imho www.gresham.ac.uk/lectures-and-events/the-imf-crisis-1976

And while we're at it - with a 2yr gap - there's a reasonable chance that the miserable leavings of that Queens speech may be liz last - and possibly the last Queens speech ever - I hope not because liz deserves much better.

Corbyn wanted to raise taxes from the top 5% to pay for his great giveaways, so what happens when this very mobile 5% decides sod this for a game of soldiers and up sticks to lower tax countries?

Yip he'll look at everyone else i.e. The remaining 95% and raise their taxes to pay for all his extra spending. No way would I trust JC not to increase my taxes

But I think on the key issues of Brexit and immigration they are, Christina, and it is those that will be his undoing in the end. Keir starmer mouthing "tone and approach" as maniacally as Theresa went on about strong and stable won't do those issues away. The tories for good or ill (I think the latter but am resigned to the fact that no political party currently cares about the demographic I am part of) have probably settled these two issues which have in one way or another been problematic for them for decades. Their vote is stable in a way that corbyns just isn't. Brexit will eat him sooner or later.

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😂😂

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The Conservatives kept going on about having a proper opposition.

Shit. They can't even get a proper government.

Bring it on. Jeremy Corbyn.

If the Tories are responsible for the cladding issues how come there are towers seemingly with the same problem in long term Labour councils / Labour seats? Or do Labour councils only do the minimum prescribed by law for their residents? It seems to me that it is a problem across the board - not one that is one party's fault or another's. I will be fascinated to hear what the inquiry says - there is clearly a lot we do not understand. Politicising it (certainly at this stage) does not help.

I foresee a Corbyn backlash on the heels of the Glastonbury silliness.

grins

Is this the forum for such a discussion? People died.

I do believe there is already a thread about this.

And this is a political football, unfortunately. It landed in a Conservative run council. During a Conservative run government.

They should deal with it and not try and pass the buck on. Disgraceful!!

Grins exactly! The material used was signed off under Blair and used throughout labour coalition and Tory governments. It has been installed under councils of all sides. It is not a political issue. How it is dealt with going forward is and I actually think the Tories are doing a pretty good job

"The commentariat got it wrong"
No they didn't.....you lost

Had to choke back a snort when he started preaching about how dreadful it was that there was homelessness, hunger, poverty etc etc. Did he not notice where he was? He was talking to thousands of people who had just spent £244 each on a ticket to a four day concert and probably another £100+ on booze, fags and partying.....

Can't take the bloke seriously. I did try.

I foresee a Corbyn backlash on the heels of the Glastonbury silliness.

You have the foresight of a gnat on a hot summer's night, unfortunately.

Grenfell absolutely is a political issue- it might not be a party political issue - but of course it's political.

Are the people who criticised Jc for his magic money tree and platform of terrorists supportive of may? Surely not.

I think Glastonbury will strengthen his popularity among the young. Oldies who were warming to him (me) might be turned off by it (also me)