Tory Government’s benefit cap is unlawful and causes 'real misery for no good purpose', High Court rules

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www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/benefit-cap-judicial-review-welfare-payments-government-loses-lawsuit-court-case-judge-misery-a7802286.html

Finally

"You just do because there is no magic tree or assistance." Please explain to me WHERE EXACTLY they get the money from? Must be missing a trick, me.

"I'm a single parent. I support the benefits cap

No wonder these cretins keep getting in. If people support cuts against themselves and their own kind

Well I certainly didn't vote for the Tories and I never would. I disagree with nearly everything they do, but not this, I think there has to be a limit to benefits.

I don't think any party is exactly sitting in clover. Certainly not Labour who couldn't even get a majority after years of austerity and Brexit.Perhaps if labour woke up and smelled reality they'd stand more of a chance of getting even some power.

You go without elsewhere,obviously.

And we shall see what next GE brings after this shitshow.

I can see the argument that a working family should never be worse off than a non- working one. But there are so many caveats to that. And the benefits system is so difficult to manage and so clunky that it makes it impossible for people to work when they can in e.g. Seasonal jobs. I cannot stomach all the cuts and sanctions at all. We need to protect people and ensure that they have a roof and food and what ever they need in way of support. The current measures are actually killing people!!!

You go without elsewhere,obviously

What is it that you go without exactly? Food?

Exactly Dixie

We're going to need a magic money tree of epic proportions when brexit kicks in. If you think 20k free money is hard done by, you might be in for a little bit of a reality check.

If needs be. I've been known to cut already low food bills drastically when a big bill has come in.

Just like to point out that having moved on a variety of incomes including zilch it most certainly isn't impossible. If privately renting you get your deposit back so no cost there. We now have the Internet and Google so no need to even visit before moving. What are all these huge costs that makes moving for work an impossibility? The most you'd have to contend with is a visit if absolutely necessary( view several in one day).

Fizbo, I really think you have NO comprehension of what the women in this law case have gone through. Or you lack empathy generally. They are on the BONES of their arses and it makes you feel better to be judgemental about them on MN? When not contesting this judgement means sod all in the scheme of things. Have you ever had to choose being getting the bus to sign on and eating at all for days? Have had to make that choice for your children?

Yes..when a judge in possession of all the facts says the cap is inhumane here how can you justify saying it should be lower without being really fucking heartless?

Please do enlighten me.

You generally need a deposit before you get the old one back. Removal costs. Of course you can't just pick a house off right move and that's it.

Hmm yes the next election will be interesting. The more the current shit show that is the Labour Party rants against every attempt to curb spending to pay off a debt they made the less likely previous labour voters like myself will vote for them. The longer it goes on the more terrifying a prospect Corbyn becomes. It's so frustrating.

Removal costs.

We've used friends and their cars and hired crappy vans. Not impossible.

I think you were a bit deluded when voting Labour tbh, since you clearly are a massive right winger

Single parents shouldn't be made to move away from their family and friends just to save a few quid in benefits FFS. I've been a working lp for eight years and it's miserable. But at least I didn't have to move town.

I used to get nearly a grand a month in childcare tax credits. I couldn't actually go and spend it in the supermarket because nursery would have wondered why their invoice wasn't paid. Benefits aren't cash to fritter.

They are on the BONES of their arses

They get £20,000 in cash and benefits for doing nothing FFS, they are NOT on the BONES of their arses. Go get a job.

What if you have no driving licence and no money for a van? Or no friends that can help?

So you can't believe in keeping within a budget and curbing spending and vote labour.

Good luck in the next election.

The judge said they are Jamie

Do tell me how you know better.

I know the thread has moved on but I think the argument that benefits have to leave people worse off than people on minimum wage is unworkable.
In 1834 the government amended the poor law. One of the principles that they based the law on was that the conditions in workhouses for paupers should be worse than for the lowest paid labourers outside. In reality they couldn't stick to that principle because it would have been inhumane. The lowest paid labourers lived in such chronic want that it would have created a scandal.
I don't think the principle works now either. Wages are too low and have been falling in real terms. A small number of families will need more than the cap to survive. They should be given what they need. If wages are too low to live on then they need to go up. You can't leave vulnerable people without basic necessities because they've hit some arbitrary cap.