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[Plumbhead]

This government isn't keeping the population safe.

3 terror incidents in 3 months.

Information about terror suspects have not been acted upon. Yes i know other planned attacks have been prevented but 3 horrific attacks in 3 months???

Police cuts, fire services cuts, phasing out the NHS.

Cutting disability support. Cutting mental health support.

Burdening us with Brexit and the associated economic downturn reducing public funds further.

Inadequate housing policies, possibly resulting in the deaths of hundreds of innocent British citizens.

Risking the Good Friday agreement due to sheer reckless politics.

I strongly feel, based on the above, that the government is not keeping the British people safe.

Aibu?

The problem is , its in people;s DNA to think : labour spend all the money, the Tories then have to pick up the pieces. Its been said to me time and again ( not to mention the Union involvement with the labour party) which is why we are mostly a conservative country. I do try to argue against such sweeping statements, but its how people see it i'm afraid.
Neither party are great, they have faults and failings and history in the past which will never go away and the national debts also has to be paid back somehow. neither seem to have the answers.

Theresa May is arrogant and out of touch. She messed up her own election campaign when she introduced the so-called dementia tax so she's incompetent too. How on earth our democratically elected leader couldn't be bothered to meet the victims of the Grenfell Disaster is beyond belief.

Op re the Emily Mathis teeet- she is absolutely right.
Last night in Rado 4s PM programme they heard from a survivor from the fire. Her two dc are now with friends ( both with exams today). She had spent the first night in a strangers sofa- someone she met in the street. She had then spent all day trying to get through to the council, she tried to find out what she should do but not a single person could tell her. She didn't know where she was going that evening.
Where the FUCK is the council?????? They should be people walking the streets helping these people! A vicar of one of the churches where people are sleeping also said he hadn't had a visit from anyone from the council.

I expect they're busy having meetings about how to cover their own arses .

Plumbhead I've just watched the Boris Johnson link that you posted. I never liked his behaviour, but it's appalling in the clip. He comes across as so rude and dismissive, and frankly, as if he couldn't care less.

I'm (fairly) sure that this wasn't the attitude that he wanted to give off, and yet he is being filmed behaving so inappropriately.

In any other line of work, I'm sure he would be disciplined for it, but in politics (and when he worked as a journalist€, he seems to be rewarded for any unprofessional behaviour that he shows.

I can't believe he's not only Foreign Secretary but is considering going for Conservative party leadership if an opportunity comes up to do so.

His arrogance and unprofessionalism is revolting.

Sorry going again for party leadership, that should've said.

Where the FUCK is the council??????

This.

The council aren't even co-ordinating a relief effort, so no one knows how to organise the huge amounts of physical donations coming in. It's an absolute disgrace.

"labour spend all the money and then the Tories have to sort out the mess".

I keep hearing that,

How about turning it round.

"Tories cut all basic services and cause horrendous inequalities, Labour then have to come in and sort that out which requires actually spending money".

And yes if that means higher taxes then suck it up....a bit like disabled people had to do when their services or benefits were cut. Only difference is that if you are wealthy enough to pay more taxes you still have choices....many disabled and vulnerable people do not.

Give me a Labour Govt any day rather than this shower.

I do not understand how anyone with an ounce of humanity can still be voting for the conservatives.

They are either stupid or arrogant, selfish wankers.

And I say this as someone who runs their own business and pays a lot of tax. And I want to pay more taxes but this goverment are going to reduce my taxes in the coming years. Corporation tax will go down from 20% to 17%. Yes that's right, all businesses will be getting a 3% tax reduction. And that is why Austerity continues.
How there isn't riots about this fact is beyond me.

LuxCoDespondent 'All the services you mention require money. It has to come from somewhere, and people tend to prefer not to pay higher taxes to put more nurses in hospitals, more police on the streets and so on. If Corbyn or the Lib Dems or any other party came up with a credible plan for paying...'

They did come up with a credible plan, based on a popular Scandinavian model which is consistently shown to work judging by Scandinavia regularly topping the global lists for health, happiness and wealth.

I for one would be happy to pay more taxes - as you say the money has to come from somewhere and you can't get good public services for nothing. However their plan was to tax those who can most afford to shoulder more of the burden, the top 5% of earners and to stop corporate tax evasion. Which seems fair.

The old clichéd Tory lines are not cutting it any more.

YADNBU OP. The fact that she was too cowardly to meet the residents yesterday speaks volumes.

DoubleChocolatetiffin 'Dixie I wouldn't have done if there was a decent alternative. But with Corbyn at the helm of the Labour Party determined to spend all the money....'

How is taxing the top 5% of earners more
and reducing corporate tax evasion spending all the money? Also it's a myth that the Tories are better with money, they tend to run a higher debt AND deficit and 1.73 trillion in debt as opposed to 979 billion in 2010 under Labour.

They need to spend the money.

On housing and policing for example. As evidenced recently.

"I'm (fairly) sure that this wasn't the attitude that he wanted to give off, and yet he is being filmed behaving so inappropriately. "

That is because he is inherently an arrogant and entitled git but also not terribly competent, he simply lacks the grace and wisdom to handle the situation at the meeting.

Theresa May also lacks grace wisdom and empathy, what awfully superficial times we live in.

One might almost think that decades of dumming down the public by bombarding them with mindless reality TV, computer games and mindless stupid women's magazines focusing on what tat to buy to look sexy at the office, beach or school run completely artificial and ridiculous celebrity 'culture' have worked very well indeed - in that people have been so distracted by this rampant, instant gratification consumerism that we didn't pay attention to the ugly policies and politics around us.

BossaDad lol

I do try to explain to people that the 08 crash wasnt labour's fault, that Brown was actually praised by financial experts for his handling of it all and not letting the banks go under - ordinary people would have suffered too if that had been allowed to happen.
They just switch off or go on about how the unions used to hold the country to ransom and how Blair is a liar etc etc. The Tories are much worse, but still seen as the good guys in some people's eyes because of the labour party's past records. Plus its the 'i;m alright jack' attitude that also prevails with people who cant see the bigger picture. Its hard to argue with people when they are so fixated on labour policies being bad ones. I am a labour follower and supporter, but they might have to try and get the idea out of people's head about wrecking the economy in the past ( they didnt) and have a grown up discussion about immigration too - another sticking point for people preferring the Conservatives.

Well I for one will be voting Labour in the next general election because of Tory's failed austerity policy causing .

As a regular user of . I think we all have a duty to vote Labour and support Jeremy Corbyn because it's the only way to avoid a repeat of .

Also, I wouldn't Jeremy out of bed if he farted!!!!!! What a nice man!!!!!

Thank you for reading. We're not from Momentum or anything!!!

I guess Deff is trying to be witty?

I'd never join momentum, I am not into that sort of group thing. As an individual citizen who is not formally associated with any party I have huge respect for Corbyn and his policies.

It's really quite silly to try to discredit him just because he has got policies the Tories would never in a million years be able to sell to their electorate.

It's just a matter of time before TM is ousted. She has been a truly useless pm. I can't see why anyone would say anything to the contrary unless they are deliberately closing their eyes to what she has achieved in 12 months.

She hit the self destruct button on her own party ffs

TM is a terrible leader and obviously relied more on advisers than her own colleagues and ministers, but she still had more votes than labour and people still believe she is the best person to sort out Brexit and all the other problems the UK currently face. Its a sad fact, but true.
once the Tories were really able to tap into the traditional working class votes more so in the 80s with the selling off of council properties - they did things that eventually, carved up societies. Thats i how i see it, others may argue it gave the working classes more aspiration, but really it made people feel richer than they really were and so, in turn, could then support the party that has always been for the very rich. I can see why people think like this to be honest, but its ended up with us having more Tory governments than labour ones though out recent history.
Maybe labour should also reach out to the ones that are not wealthy , but not that poor either. how you do this i dont know and just saying tax the rich all the time doesnt seem to work either ( especially as people can avoid paying more tax if they have clever accountants)

I feel such a deep fury towards the Tories at the moment. Even now, even at this point, they still aren't showing any humanity.

Protest tomorrow, Whitehall, 2pm. If we aren't protesting at this point then whenever will we protest?

I agree with all the points you raised, 80s.

I don't know what the answer is either. I personally really like the Labour Party at the moment. I have always voted for them in a 'they are the lesser of two evils' kind of way but now that they have well and truly stuck the nail in New Labours coffin things are looking good.

I can understand why people would have their reservations about the labour manifesto and how it can be afforded but choosing to opt for the conservatives after everything we've had in the past 7 years.... surely people have had enough of austerity. It does not work. It's a failed system. At what point does logic kick in with people?

Yes, there was a cynical attempt to say that students only voted for the 'magic money tree' not because they wanted to see JC as PM. I would like to think that they were a bit more savvy than that, but it will be rolled out by the ones that go ' here you go, labour will spend spend spend and there wont be anything left.' brigade. I know that their manifesto was costed out and so on, but other people will just ignore this and roll out the same old reasons why they dont trust labour on the economy. I agree that the rich should pay more, but lots of people dont agree with this and want it all for themselves.
The money does have to come from somewhere though, i do get that, but 'trickle down' effect doesnt seem to be working either.

I see 80 i thought i was one for whom irony sarcams is second nature and didn't pick up on your tine . bless, maybe I am still a little bit gullible.