Aibu about how to pronounce loch

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Me and dh are having a disagreement about how to pronounce "loch" as in Loch Ness!

He goes all Scottish on that word and it sounds weird. It's like the ch sound in "Bach". He is a quarter Scottish but born and raised in Surrey!

I say it like "lock" because I'm English just like he is! I wouldn't say Paris or chorizo with a foreign accent.

This is light hearted but I'm right aren't I?

Is it "lock" or "loch with the ch bach sound"?

To pronounce ceilidh you say
Kay-Lay (Kay as in Peter Kay and Lay as in lay and egg).

Also if you drop the C of the from it becomes Eilidh which is a Scottish girls name.

"Kay-Lay (Kay as in Peter Kay and Lay as in lay and egg)."

That might be an accent thing because it's an EE sound at the end, but also lay and egg do not have any sounds in common for me...

Sorry that should have said lay AN egg not lay and egg.

It might be an accent thing. I'm west coast central belt, I think east coast accents might pronounce it with more of an EE sound at the end.

Lol, I sat for ages trying to make lay and egg have the same vowel sound...it did not work.

I'm from the west coast originally - the top end of Argyll and it's an EE, and so is Eilidh

I'm from Glasgow (or just outside it) and pronounce it Kay-lee

I'm In Moray and it's Kay-lay here.

There was a round on Pointless a few weeks ago where 'loch' and 'lock' were supposed to be homophones. I was speechless with righteous Scots ire.

My favourite pronunciation trap is Strathaven. Looks so harmless.

seneca

You can say Milngavie properly?!? I AM IMPRESSED

Glaswegian here....yer wrang OP. Pronounce it properly

You're right Brecon

Strathaven tests most Scots because it's prounouced "Stray-ven"

I say kay-lee. Kay-lay sounds wronger than a wrong thing in my accent.

I don't like ceilidhs though. Play me some proper choons.

And while I'm at it, I think Tunnocks tea cakes taste rank.

There was a round on Pointless a few weeks ago where 'loch' and 'lock' were supposed to be homophones. That's bloody awful.

He's right.

The place names though, people struggle with dead straightforward ones like tyndrum and Oban, so add in Gaelic ones like craobh haven and arduine and then the trick ones and they're stuffed tbh, lol

It took me ages to learn how to pronounce Na h-Eileanan An Iar (ie. the western isles) properly.

Moray also and never heard it pronounced like KayLay. Kaylee!

I say lock. Everyone I've ever heard say it says lock!

With Kay-Lee my voice would go up at the end me for EE sound and it would sound wrong to me and my accent, and also give the word two syllables. With Kay-Lay the ay sound at the end is at the same time as the rest of the word and sounds like one syllable - if that makes any sense.

I've just checked online and it is definitely a "ck" sound at the end of loch. Not a ch sound.

Think of the word chlorine. You say "ck-lorine", not "ch-lorine".

My pronunciation of loch wouldn't sound anything like the 'ch' in chlorine or the 'ck' in lock.

Or the 'ch' in chair!

"It took me ages to learn how to pronounce Na h-Eileanan An Iar"

I'm good with that one, kind of at an advantage though as I speak a bit of Gaelic, lol

Some of the make no sense ones catch me out though.

"I've just checked online and it is definitely a "ck" sound at the end of loch. Not a ch sound."

Checked where?

Chlorine is from Greek, different rules.

I can pronounce the [x] sound (loch) now after years of learning German, but if I do it in London it sounds pretentious without a Scottish accent. I'm trying to learn Arabic so being able to distinguish [x] from [ch] is useful, as well as being able to pronounce glottal stops as consonants (as in gotta lotta bottle - go'a lo'a bo'le...).

Thing is, if you don't learn how to make a certain sound as a child, or learn to distinguish between sounds, it's almost impossible to learn later.

www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/loch-ness

Listen to how it's pronounced.