Aibu about how to pronounce loch

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Me and dh are having a disagreement about how to pronounce "loch" as in Loch Ness!

He goes all Scottish on that word and it sounds weird. It's like the ch sound in "Bach". He is a quarter Scottish but born and raised in Surrey!

I say it like "lock" because I'm English just like he is! I wouldn't say Paris or chorizo with a foreign accent.

This is light hearted but I'm right aren't I?

Is it "lock" or "loch with the ch bach sound"?

I'm from SE London and once had a pub full of people in Scotland trying to get me to pronounce Auchtermuchty correctly.

its not about saying it in welsh or scottish accent, but in the correct pronunciation of the letter. you can just ask easily say 'ch' in an english/french/russian/martian accent!

Bach the composer is pronounced the same as the word bach in welsh which is the same as the ch in loch..

If I were talking about the composer, then Bach would sound like bark, as I'm English with an English accent. So same applies to Loch sounding like lock. Neither will if spoken by either a German or a Scot, but isn't that the point the OP is making, that in her accent, they come out sounding differently from the way they would be pronounced by a local person ?

dotdotdotmustdash Kilquonchar, that'll be Kinucker eh?

"but isn't that the point the OP is making, that in her accent, they come out sounding differently from the way they would be pronounced by a local person ?"

No, because it's not a difference in accent, the word lock exists in the same accent as loch - they're different sounds produced by different letters.

The OP might not be able to pronounce the ch correctly, but that's what it is, incorrect pronunciation, not a difference in accent.

backforgood no, it isn't. its still Bach with the german 'ch' sound. It has nothing to do with accent, the letter/diagraph/whatever you want to call it 'ch' is pronounced a certain way regardless of accent.

and there is no 'unable' to pronounce it either. the OPs mouth has the same anatomy as a scottish/welsh/german persons mouth. its simply a case of learning how to produce the sound.

Lock is just all levels of hell wrong.

Husband is correct.

My username probably gives a hint about my views on the matter.

I think loch is one of those words you can't break down phonetically in writing to help explain the pronunciation.

The 'ch' at the end is more of a soft noise you make right at the back of your mouth. Almost like a clearing your throat sound in the letters ch.

I think people who are native German speakers pick it up very easily as German has a lot of similar sounds.

I wouldn't expect most non Scottish people to say loch properly. I fully expect them to say lock as it is a difficult sound to make if you are not used to it.

Another Scottish word to try and pronounce : Ceilidh

kaylee

I'm Engliah and I'm with OP - always pronounced it as Lock Ness! is that not right then?! Oops.
When you're all saying Loch with a ch do you mean the ch at the end of the word Loch is pronounced like cheese is?

Another Scottish word to try and pronounce : Ceilidh

K - leid -a?

I would pronounce Loch identically to Lough, which is with a strangled sound in the back of your throat like you're gasping for air, or bringing up phlegm

If you say loch as 'lock' then why don't you say Bach as back? Because you know better? Well, know better about loch too!!!

Crap, my accent says Bach as back too just like Loch as Lock! How should I say it then?!
This thread is educating me

cheese queen

"When you're all saying Loch with a ch do you mean the ch at the end of the word Loch is pronounced like cheese is?"

No, it's a hard c followed by an h...

Like ach, och, glenfiddich, auchtermuchty...

Sounds a bit like a j in Spanish

Ah, thanks for that, Great.
That makes sense. Kind of a guttural noise in the back of the throat. I can do that.
Kind of reminds me of German words - "zwei" for example - you need to emphasise the zw to a tsv type sound.
Probably a much better explanation out there, but that's all I can come up with right now lol

Ceilidh is pronounced kay-lee isn't it?

Please could someone tell me how to pronounce Loch in the proper way?

Please could someone tell me how to pronounce Loch in the proper way?

Someone posted a good youtube video that explains it upthread

"Please could someone tell me how to pronounce Loch in the proper way?"

Like the man in the YouTube video... though I will point out he is over emphasising it a bit for effect, it'd sound a bit odd if you copied him exactly.

yes its also in the spanish 'rioja' for example.

Got it cheese merci

yes its also in the spanish 'rioja' for example.
Yep, I pronounce that as ree - ock- a. With the loch type k as in the video. Didn't realise Loch was the same though.
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francis I'm assuming you are scottish? which means the 'bark' thing will be down to accent. scots have rhotic accents, most english people do not. which means 'bark' and 'bahhk' will be the same to most english people, but not to most scots.

however, the loch thing i agree with you.