To not get the hysteria over the DUP?

[dingit]

Cropping up on Facebook statuses today, photos with rainbows to stand against them.
I admit until last week I knew nothing about them. A quick look at their website does not show them to be homophobic, racist etc. And surely Teresa May has bigger worries than LGBT rights? They have 10 seats!
I'm not posting to be goady, I genuinely don't get it?

So murdering people to get noticed is OK?

This whole thing is mad.

It reminds me of people saying White Lives Matter Too.

It's that level of ignorance and lack of empathy.

I didn't say that, I said that not having more people murdered would be my priority.

cross oh well if there were some terrorist attacks in England, then why should you give a shite about anywhere else? People have been dying in terrorist attacks in NI for YEARS and England don't seem to give a crap. It's disgusting. It's so fucking offensive to complain that you've had some terrorist attacks so you don't care about NI

I neither said that I don't give a shite about elsewhere or that I don't care about NI so I don't really understand your comment.

Manchester based. Hard to want to talk to any fucker who bombs your city. Be that the Luftwaffe, the IRA or these other fuckers. Apologies for old gimmer references.

cross your post very strongly implied that, because England has had terror attacks, it's hard to give attention to or care about NI.

Not seeing another mother bury her child would matter much more to me than my anger or my ego.

Argh frustrated - Cross NI IS NOT ELSEWHERE - it is here, in the UK. If you care about manchester being bombed how can you not care just the same about belfast being bombed. Both are major cities in the UK.

(sorry for shouting)

OP why don't you do some research on their policies and why it's bad for the NI peace process if you "don't get the hysteria"?

To be fair all of the "hysteria" I've seen splashed over Facebook has had nothing to do with the NI peace process.

Radishal - Grew up in warrington, now live in London. I agree that its hard to talk. But in the end talking is what works. We have had peace(ish) since 1997 for that reason. Even if you do some fighting back first like in the WW, it always ends with talking.

Splodgeinc Thank you for your reply, interesting and informative points.

And finally it is sad that you are saying "we in England have problems"...the Westminster government governs our whole country - not England but the UK. "We" includes NI

Yes, I completely agree that the UK and UK government includes England, Scotland, Wales and NI. I hope I didn't imply that it doesn't - if I did that was not intentional. But I really can't see what is wrong with pointing out that the current political situation and turmoil is difficult for, and has potential repercussions for, people in England as well as those in NI, and to point out that England is facing some very difficult problems at present. I really am at a loss that this seems hugely controversial to some on this thread.

Jc had no authority beyond his own ego to talk.He had no right to. It is for authorised members of the government to talk. He has never been one.

cross your post very strongly implied that, because England has had terror attacks, it's hard to give attention to or care about NI

If that is how you interpreted my post, that is not what I meant by it. Please see my last post at 14.06 which I hope explains the point I was trying to make.

Although he wasn't in government, he offered them a forum. He showed that he was willing to listen and made it easier for those with more power to talk, by doing so first.

He isn't the other JC. If he genuinely wanted something other than massaging his own ego he would have talked to the UVF.
You don't try and murder the entire UK government and expect a seat at the table. They didn't make any concessions, they kept on murdering. And he got his photo ops.

I don't know why you are shouting and I don't understand why you and several other posters are trying to imply that I don't care about NI, bombs or terrorism in Belfast or anywhere else in NI when I have said nothing of the sort.

I am trying to suggest that the current political situation and how it is resolved is of relevance to the safety and security of people in England (and Scotland and Wales) as well as people in NI. I am really at a loss as to why this is causing so much outrage, but I have tried to explain my position and will now give up.

Sorry, I should have expanded that point a bit more, JC removed the party politics angle of negotiating with the IRA by publicly talking to Adams first. No one on the other side of the house could criticise Major for negotiating after a Labour MP was photographed shaking his hand. He literally and figuratively opened the door.

There was nothing to discuss with the UVF because the Loyalists were never as honest about the links between the terrorists and the political parties, the UVF had nothing to bring to the table. They were a terror organisation who wanted to keep the status quo, what's to discuss?

These threads are full of English people saying a deal with the DUP doesn't matter because it won't impact UK law, despite people from NI repeatedly explaining why it will be very bad for Northern Ireland. It's incredibly frustrating.

Also, saying that people vote DUP because they agree with their policies demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge of Northern Irish politics and the complex situation here.

Sorry, Silently, but you are wrong. He has always been nothing more than a useful idiot for murderers.

"because the Loyalists were never as honest about the links between the terrorists and the political parties"
Sinn Fein spent most of the 70s and beyond denying any link to the IRA.
Honest? Seriously?

Radishal, they did attempt to blow up the entire British cabinet, they did get a seat at the table and their demands were met. It all happened and no one can dispute it. Now they all live in a sort of peace. My point is that lives would have been saved if it had happened sooner.

Sinn Fein spent most of the 70s and beyond denying any link to the IRA.

They branded themselves 'the political wing of the IRA', it was never in dispute. They claimed not to have control over the IRA but they never denied their links.

In my view it was only because the Americans got involved that the talks began.
You fancy starting a thread suggesting we talk to people that behead, rape and murder?
Talking may come but not until the wanton murdering stops.
And I'm Irish descent so I know that there was more than one lot of killing.