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To think a Tory coalition with the DUP is a potentially terrifying prospect?

249 replies

AFierceBadRabbit · 09/06/2017 10:44

Not to mention the irony regarding so many ridiculous claims about corbyn sympathizing with terrorists. (The DUP are chock full of em!)

Who are the DUP, you may ask?

Here you go www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup

OP posts:
20nil · 09/06/2017 13:42

DUP and UDA were not the same organisation. Don't get me wrong, I'm as anti-DUP as the next woman, but it's really not as simple as one side good, the other bad.

BandeauSally · 09/06/2017 13:49

DUP and UDA were not the same organisation.

Grin

but it's really not as simple as one side good, the other bad.

Agree with this. Both sides need wiped out.

VenusOfWillendorf · 09/06/2017 13:50

As a example (and I know it's a tiny state), the Vatican is neither in the EU nor the customs union. Yet there is no hard border between it and Rome.

Vatican City has an open border with Italy, as both are in the Schengen zone. VC has no port or airport, the only way in is through Italy. Belfast on the other hand, has an international airport.

inniu · 09/06/2017 13:57

Rivers the DUP see a special status for NI with Europe as a step closer to a United Ireland. So they

50ShadesOfEarlGrey · 09/06/2017 13:59

The Nasty Party with added nastiness!

OlennasWimple · 09/06/2017 14:03
TikkaToRide · 09/06/2017 14:04

DUP almost always vote with the Tories.

It'll be no more scary now than it has been for some decades.

This. On issues such as gay marriage they have always voted with Torys. They aren't changing anything they wouldn't normally do. They won't suddenly have lots of power but they do need the Torys to back off from hard Brexit for the sake of Ireland. Overall I think that's a good thing. Ireland has the only land border to Europe once we exit so social issues aside they will fight for the best brexit deal.

Even with the DUP the margins are so slim a few rebel back benchers could totally fuckthings up in terms of things like human rights/terrorism acts.

It might also make people think twice when they realise the Torys most closely align with the DUP and their views.

Offler · 09/06/2017 14:06

Read this on Twitter 😁

Looks like we'll be sending Brussels the Conservative and Unionist Negotiating Team. I hope they can come up with a handy acronym.Looks like we'll be sending Brussels the Conservative and Unionist Negotiating Team. I hope they can come up with a handy acronym.

cdtaylornats · 09/06/2017 14:07

UDA were "actively killing" last week.

So not the DUP. IRA have been actively killing too but not Sinn Fein.

Do you get the difference?
UDA/IRA - terrorists; DUP/Sinn Fein - elected politicians.

Maudlinmaud · 09/06/2017 14:11

Offler Grin CUNT. please let it be called that. (Immature.)

BandeauSally · 09/06/2017 14:16

UDA/IRA - terrorists; DUP/Sinn Fein - elected politicians

Elected terrorists. Like I said, they should all be gone. There's no place for either of them if NI politics is to have any hope of progress.

simon50 · 09/06/2017 14:22

I bet the Sun and the Mail won't treat the Tory/UDP tie up like they did Corybn ?
corythatwas missed out the Ulster Defence Force and the Red Hand Commandos as also having loose connections with the UDP !

Squishedstrawberry4 · 09/06/2017 14:23

Huge numbers voted labour, yet the conservatives have sought out an extreme right party to prop them up rather then the lib dems. Utterly bizarre decision! Why not simply respect and reflect the opinions of the general public as a whole.

weeduckie · 09/06/2017 14:28

I'm from Northern Ireland and if I'd had a choice I would have voted DUP but unfortunately, there was no DUP candidate in my Constituency, the UUP didn't raise enough votes and SF have been elected. This means that my constituency now has no representative in Westminster!

LilaBard. Obviously I'm a Protestant who supports the DUP but that does not mean that I all think all Catholics should be 'screwed' Hmm I actually have a number of catholic friends as do a number of my DUP friends.
Please do not generalise us all together!

BadLad · 09/06/2017 14:28

Why is it bizarre? What is the alternative decision?

user1496484020 · 09/06/2017 14:35

Any way we could protest?

Maudlinmaud · 09/06/2017 14:37

weeduckie I don't. I have a mixture of friends, family, colleagues and neighbours. It would be naive of me to think at least some most of them don't vote DUP.
I mentioned earlier they are all reasonable people and not bigoted. The thread has been a bit rough today. I think nobody anticipated a hung parliament where a party from NI would be so important.

Millie04 · 09/06/2017 14:41

Yes very worrying but provides Labour with a huge amount of fodder to rebuke any of the completely misleading views about Corbyn colliding with the IRA. He was attempting to broker a peace deal through negotiations BTW.
Politics doesn't get more ridiculous than this!

LilaBard · 09/06/2017 14:48

weeduckie I apologise if that's what my post sounded like! I in no way intended to imply that - I know lots of nice people who, for whatever reason, vote DUP. My 2 immediate neighbours are Orange Order members and are lovely (and probably vote DUP tbh). But the parry members of the DUP itself? Not so much

TinselTwins · 09/06/2017 14:48

Huge numbers voted labour, yet the conservatives have sought out an extreme right party to prop them up rather then the lib dems. Utterly bizarre decision!

Lib dems refused to "play". They took themselves off the table because people were mean about them last time they had some power. They got all those votes and then refused to do politics! Outragous! Can we please blame them for the DUP thing? We don't know who T M would have chosen, it might have still been DUP, but LibDem took away the option of a more centre-right coalition because they're so butt hurt about last time that instead of doing some PR about the many GOOD things they did in coalition, they just writing the whole thing off as a mistake that they will never consider repeating

Mulledwine1 · 09/06/2017 15:01

Belfast on the other hand, has an international airport

Belfast has two airports. I've only flown into Belfast City.

But I suspect the majority of flights are to other parts of the UK/CTA like Isle of Man and Jersey - and the EU. In fact I don't suspect, I just looked at the current flight arrivals/departures and none are from outside the EU at either airport.

So the problem is what?

Boulshired · 09/06/2017 15:02

In fairness to lib dems they only really stood on reversing brexit so a coalition with a brexit party would be equal to tuition fees.

Mulledwine1 · 09/06/2017 15:02

they just writing the whole thing off as a mistake that they will never consider repeating

do you think perhaps they were scared they'd get fewer votes if they didn't promise not to do a coalition again? I think they are well aware of the good things they achieved, but are too cowed to trumpet them.

7461Mary18 · 09/06/2017 15:53

Huge numbers voted labour but even more voted Tory! 42% Tory, 40% Labour. Most of England is blue and SNP has most of Scotland bar the 12 Tory wins up there. This is a very interesting and surprising result and return to English 2 party system but I am glad the Tories won and now we must just get on with the best Brexit we can.

Cabinet will just be tweaked by 6pm so hopefully we keep Hammond as Chancellor who is very good and I think most people will remain in post.

Adrifty86 · 09/06/2017 15:54

Ruth Davis isn't too happy about it either....

Is May going to alienate the Scottish Torys too?