AIBU in thinking JC should resign?

[QuiteLikely5]

He's made a mockery of the Labour Party and won votes by creating a manifesto that the country could not afford to deliver!!!

Resign JC !!!

Have a whole box of

Dd says she has no future under the Tories and she's 18

He's unstable and not a leader

TM has brought a good level of national stability to this country unlike him with his radical policy ideas

Is this a reverse? Whose decision to call an election do you imagine is responsible for the state of instability we find ourselves in this morning?

Portia I only quoted that as evidence IMO that Corbyn as an individual is not that appealing as his policies

TM just spunked £85mil on running an unnecessary election where she lot her majority, drove newly engaged young voters into the arms of JC and is having to form a collation government with a right wing, anti gay/abortion party. The arrogant fool has lost her control and lit a fire under Labour. We'll have a new GE within a couple of years. 40% OF us are not leaning right. This government will not have an easy ride

The combination of brexit and JC has galvanised the youth. Good. They are the future of this country. We owe them the respect that they deserve.

Post referendum last year anyone who critised the older generation voting out was rounded on. But its ok to critise the young and question their motives?

They are the most educated generation ever. They are worried about their future. We all fucking owe them

We haven't had student grants for many years (not grants as you mean.)
Then, the number going to uni was far below the current 40+%.
In the past the uni numbers were between 10-20%.

Additionally, there are many graduates now who are not using their degrees and are under employed. You could argue that their degrees have been a waste of money and time.

Personally, I think bursaries or some cash should be given to students studying degrees that are shortage subjects and which will benefit society, rather than being about 'personal development' with no career path in mind.

We simply cannot afford to fund Higher Ed for almost half the country when there are more pressing needs like the NHS and care for the elderly.

Tomato

I disagree with you. I di not believe the majority of labour voters were or are fools.

You can assume that but I know what I believe.

Portia, the main reason I'm so upset with the youngster bashing is that my DD19 and her boyfriend made absolutely sure they got their postal vote sorted in good time a soon as the election was called as they are on holiday. My DS17 spent a long time on the phone yesterday to his Dad explaining to him why he had to vote (not who to vote for) and is so busy faffing around on social media, asking the magic money tree for sweeties that he's been offered a place at an elite university (one where a lot of famous Tory twonkers went) to study politics in September. He was gutted to have narrowly missed out on being able to vote. All their friends who are old enough to vote did so because they can see that there is actually masses of money in this country, just none of it is heading their way in the foreseeable future. They are all way too smart to fall for the austerity lie.

JC made wild promises, dismissed by the IFS as being unworkable based on their figures.

When anyone is the underdog they have nothing to lose. They can promise the earth which is what the Greens and the Lib Dems have done for ages.

The country is still broke after years of labour government and people seem to forget the deficit and debt which young people are going to have to fund all their working lives.

Adding to this debt, pretending it won't happen, or even be a good thing, is dishonest and treating the electorate as fools- which some people clearly are to believe JC could find the money for even half his proposals.

Yes it comes back to the campaign but that's just a campaign TM has brought a good level of national stability to this country unlike him with his radical policy ideas

She's just gotten into bed with the political wing of a terrorist organisation and some of the worst religious fundamentalists in the UK. Are you redefining stability too?

Faithless why is austerity a 'lie'? Can you quote the figures for the debt and deficit please, the interest it's costing us daily out of our taxes, and explain why you deny it? Out of interest.

He got 5k more votes than TM.

At every point in history worth mentioning, he's been on the right side of it.

The Tories have armed Isis. We sell arms to Saudi Arabia who arm Isis.

If Andy Burnham or any other slick darker haired centre left Labour MP had got in as leader instead I would have puked.

Long live corbyn. Fuck the Tories

Socialism is dead. TB for all his flaws knew that.

Look at every country in the world where socialism has been tried and they are in an economic mess.

There is a quote 'if you aren't a socialist at 16 there is something wrong with you'.

Socialism is all very well until you run out of other people's money.
Then the country is fucked.

Polly there comes a point where politicians can no longer point backwards and lay the blame at previous governments actions for the current economic situationd

I think after 7 years of austerity that point is long gone. The Tories need to take responsibility of their own mistakes...and let's face it this election which was not wanted or needed is a bloody big one

At every point in history worth mentioning, he's been on the right side of it.

The IRA.
Hamas
CND (still vice chair)

God, some people have dubious morals.

Don't talk wet OP. If anything Maybshoudl resign, she's made. Mockery of herself and the public!

She thought she could win this by doing nothing, and making cuts to services that are already on its knees!

I'm not in the JC fan club but it's May that has put us all in this shit. Not JC

Ever I'm sorry but 7 years is NOTHING.

My DS is an economist who knows the figures and they are talking of 30 years to right the mess Labour left.
Most people are just too ignorant to understand the figures.

Start telling me you can quote figures for how much the debt is costing us and how this can be remedied- then I might start to listen.

Polly
www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2016/06/ostry.htm to begin with.
Have you read "The spirit level"? Out of interest.

Polly
Austerity is a lie, because there are places we could go to, things we could do, to get the money for this country, but we choose not to.

The winding web that is finance/corporations/companies/hedge funds/tax avoidance schemes etc etc need to be sorted out.

We need to start taking from the rich, the poor cannot give anymore.

One of my particuar bugbears is the current mess that is the contracts system in our public services.
We took jobs and services out of public hands, then handed the contracts to private companies.
Company does a shoddier job, yet charges tax payer more than it would have cost had it stayed in house.
Company has shareholders (often dodging tax themselves!)

Net result?
Services suffer.
The taxpayer lines the pockets of rich, tax avoiding gits with bits of ficking paper.

This is just one example of where money oes, and its obvious we can do something about it, so why the fuck don't we?

There are shitloads of these kinds of examples.

All ways we can save money while hitting the rich instead of the poor, ill and disabled.

PollyPerky, the welfare states of northern Europe are not in a complete economic mess; in fact, they recovered a lot quicker from the banking disaster than the UK did, and many economists ascribe the UK's slow recovery to austerity measures.

The Tories remind me of myself when I was in my early 20s. I was an extremely cautious and conscientious young student with a horror of over-spending. So I never invested in smart clothes, I never went out for coffee with people I might have networked with and I actually turned down offers to travel to meet influential people who might have helped me in my career, I didn't even always eat enough to perform at full capacity.

It was perhaps a morally worthy stance, but from the purely financial aspect it was disastrous and it has left me in a junior position earning very little money despite a very promising start. If I had planned more for the longterm and thought of spending as an investment, I would probably be in a far better position now.

There are plenty of economists who think austerity is holding this country back in ways that seem very similar.

Yabu

Hmm politics is not the same as economics I'm afraid no matter what your son does

Politics involves responsibility and accountability and leadership of the people. Economics is a scientific (or not) study of the economy economic beliefs strategies and policy

If we used your model I think the Tories were in power 30 years ago? So this is their fault? If we use mine the Tories are in power...so it's their fault?

TM has brought a good level of national stability to this country unlike him with his radical policy ideas

The pound has plummeted, we have a hung parliament, people are dying of starvation since the UK in 2017 because of benefit cuts, tax dodges are rife, the utter abandonment of the most vulnerable in our society is jaw droppingly "acceptable", the NHS is being sold off by the minute, education is in absolute chaos, she wants to form a coalition with a party who believe abortion should be illegal and want a hard border in Ireland, there have been more terror attacks in the last 3 weeks than in the previous 3 years and you call that stable?

I'm actually lost for words.