to think that Jeremy Corbyn is GLAD he hasn't won?

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Because at the moment he is the saviour of the Labour Party, the guy who wanted to end austerity and "for the many not the few" etc etc.

If he had won... he'd actually have had to find a way of delivering Christmas presents to all the children in the world on a sleigh in one night. There would have been endless fights over forming a cabinet, many of the Manifesto promises would have had to be binned and it would all have ended in Nice try, mate, but you've been rumbled.

As it is he is the noble hero - a la Scott of the Antarctic/Dunkirk/Charge of the Light Brigade (add spun defeat of choice).

I agree with you. The twit created a manifesto that the country could not afford to really deliver but he fooled all sorts of people though didn't he?? He knew he wouldn't win but he played his hand very well

And in return he won more seats and looks like the cat who got the cream!

He is useless!

I imagine there's a sense of relief for sure.

I think fair play to him.

He's been rejected by most of his MP's at some point & stuck to his beliefs.

I think he's a good protest politician but, secretly thinking he's dodged a bullet. His manifesto would have been undeliverable. He's done well though

If you think about how lazy and crap he has been in opposition before the election campaign, and the undeliverable manifesto promises, he is probably jubilant that he has got as close as you can get to winning without actually having to the job or be held accountable for anything, and got just enough power to block the Tory manifesto, and been given a truckload of ammmunition to help him in his job as leader of the opposition.

In some ways it will be the perfect result for him.

Best possible result for JC on a personal level I reckon!

Haha. The bitterness is showing already!

"just accept it. That's democracy. The people have spoken. ConMOANatives" etc

Yes, I even fell for it. I hated him before the campaign but became bewitched by all the goodies.

Lol at 'bitterness'.

I think it will work out well for Corbyn. Tories looking at sorting Brexit with DUP, its gonna be bad for them. Next election, Corbyn must be rubbing his hands.

But Corbyn will then be able to retire with dignity and pass the baton onto someone else (hopefully more moderate). No loss of face. He would want to go out on a high, not fight another election and lose the "Momentum" and very probably the students would return to not being arsed to vote.

Politically, he's played a blinder. He's played the long game and manoeuvred his - and Labours - position brilliantly. I think this demonstrates a very good, clever and cutthroat politically mind.

hilarious op, yes he will be thrilled he hasn't won, he wants to be in opposition he is just an over blown protester not a leader who can deliver.

I'm not a Tory, I'm usually labour.

It's good for him, he campaigned hard and deserves credit, but a lot was the Tories' campaign being woeful and if there another election soon they won't make the same mistakes.

To be fair to JC he's done what most Labour voters would have wanted from him when he first won the leadership election. He's prevented the conservatives from forming a majority government and energized the labour base. I think he's done an excellent job.
He's a superb political campaigner just not someone I'd want in number 10.

You are absolutely right OP. Like a snake he's slithered his way up the pole using lies.

I agree with you op. I am not a fan of jc but for a man who is very adept at not showing any sign of leadership he has done very well.

On the contrary I'd say Theresa May is probably kicking herself at having called this election in the first place. She wanted a mandate. She didn't get one. There's an advisor somewhere at Tory HQ updating their CV no doubt.

Thing is the Conservative manifesto was realistic and outlined which way the country needs to go to stay afloat. What you saw is what you got and it's deliverable. That's what you get if you're truthful to the nation I guess. In the future, parties who want to win the election will become less transparent and won't reveal the bad stuff until they've won the election.

I can't believe so many were sucked in by Corbyn's unobtainable utopian lies.

What Corbyn is proposing is fully costed - and the norm in several other European countries.

Of course he wants to deliver it.

PuckeredAhole realistic?

Firstly it wasn't costed. Why not?

But also some of it was extremely concerning. The plans for the internet for example show eother a complete lack of understanding of the technology or a wish to create a North Korea / China style internet, insolated from the rest of the world. It's hard to know - which one is it?

Please look up and take time to understand any tech journalist's take on the Tory manifesto plans for the internet. They are extremely worrying.

Nationalising the railways/utilities etc? Just the electricity the Guardian estimated at £69 billion. Although, to be fair, nationalisation was not something that was on many voters' list of priorities.

I think the thing was tuition fees. Especially when Labour realised that offering free tuition from next year was hardly likely to get out the current students so they hurriedly had to extend it to ones at university now... and ones who went in the past too.

He may want to deliver it, but even he must have his realistic moments and think it's best to be remembered as the Patron Saint of Students rather than the person who made them all pay 90% tax after graduation.

What JC achieved last night was the best result of any Labour leader since Attlee. At least that's what was reported earlier.

His reforms were costed and I think he would have made an excellent PM. Very similar to Scandanavian models of politics and he wouldn't be seen as a danger there.

Students in Scandanavia don't pay 90% tax after Uni. Just saying.

He can promise what he wants he isnt in power it would have been interesting in a horrifying way to see him trying to live up to all his promises.

I was looking forward to free jam tomorrow.