To change who I'm voting for last minute

[gunting]

Since the election was called, I joined a political party. I went to meetings, campaigned and even helped with PR for my local candidate. This party with the lib dems.

For the past few days I've felt like perhaps I was wrong. I keep seeing Corbyn on the TV and I feel like what he's saying would actually change my life in a significant way.

I'm torn now between who to vote for.

Pilates


2. On national television, Jeremy Corbyn refused to back a shoot-to-kill policy if a Paris-style machine gun attack happened in London. He then changed his mind and backtracked a day later.

Nope...

What was reported: Speaking in the aftermath of the 2015 Paris attacks, Corbyn told reporter Laura Kuenssberg: “I am not happy with a shoot-to-kill policy in general. I think that is quite dangerous and I think can often be counterproductive.” The video has since gone viral after last Saturday’s (June 3) tragic terrorist attack in London Bridge, with many claiming Corbyn would apply the same logic in response to a future attack.

What he actually said: In a rare case, the BBC Trust ruled in January 2017 that Corbyn’s quotes were placed out of context. Instead of outright stating that police shouldn’t shoot to kill in response to a terror attack, he said he was against the military policing Britain’s streets. A vital part of the quote was omitted from the BBC’s original video. He said: “Of course you’d bring people on to the streets to prevent and ensure there is safety within our society, much better that’s done by the police than security services, much better we have strong and effective community policing, neighbourhood policing and a cohesive society that brings people together.”

In a speech in Carlisle on Saturday night (June 3), Corbyn clarified his position. He supported the police to apply “whatever force is necessary” in response to an attack, while also stating that Conservative cuts to the forces needed to be reversed.

Nikephorus ok which papers? Can only think of a couple of left leaning mainstream papers and even in their support for Labour they don't print a cocktail of personal
lies and untruths against May

1. During the 1980s and 1990s, Jeremy Corbyn supported the IRA.

No. He didn't support them, he talked to them, in an effort to bolster peace. When John Major did the same thing, the peace agreement came about.

2. On national television, Jeremy Corbyn refused to back a shoot-to-kill policy if a Paris-style machine gun attack happened in London. He then changed his mind and backtracked a day later

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/05/theresa-may-attacks-corybn-shoot-to-kill-stance-as-bbc-clip-is-shared-online#img-3

3. Corbyn’s botched attempt at a publicity stunt on a ‘ram-packed’ train which was questioned by Virgin who released CCTV images showing the Labour leader appearing to walk past empty seats before he had filmed a video showing him sitting on the floor of a train carriage. Another image released by Virgin also showed Corbyn having later found a seat

And other people on Twitter vouched for him in saying that he did not have a seat and the photo was clipped from after the train emptied.

I've been on that train many, many times. It is always rammed until you get to York and then it empties.

4. Many advisors and colleagues have resigned under Corbyn or disowned him in the last ten months, citing incompetence and his unelectability

I agree with you on this one. This is my concern, not that he's incompetent, imo, their issue with him is that he'd dragged the party back from being Tory lite towards true Labour values, however, yes, the lack of support he has in his own party is worrying.

5. Every large-scale study into why Labour lost the 2015 general election came to the same conclusion, Labour was not trusted on the economy

That is people's perception, yes, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Historically Labour borrow less and pay back more.

If you're gonna denigrate the man, at least do it on actual facts and not media soundbites.

No. He didn't support them, he talked to them, in an effort to bolster peace

So to bolster peace you have to talk to both sides. Who did he talk to on the loyalist side then?

I keep asking but funnily enough no one answers.

the lack of support he has in his own party is worrying

On that one he reaps what he has previously sown.

Out of interest, how long can Tories go in blaming the last Labour government for the GLOBAL financial crisis before they realise their shitty austerity has failed completely? It's getting old now

Pilates*

1. Corbyn’s botched attempt at a publicity stunt on a ‘ram-packed’ train which was questioned by Virgin who released CCTV images showing the Labour leader appearing to walk past empty seats before he had filmed a video showing him sitting on the floor of a train carriage. Another image released by Virgin also showed Corbyn having later found a seat.

Jeremy Corbyn claim Virgin train was ‘ram-packed’ backed by passengers
More pictures and footage on the events on the train have emerged

"Jeremy Corbyn claim Virgin train was ‘ram-packed’ backed by passengers" www.independent.co.uk/news/passengers-dispute-virgin-trains-version-of-jeremy-corbyn-sitting-on-floor-video-a7205631.html

Yawn yawn yawn, Theresa May is the antichrist who eats babies for breakfast, Jeremy Corbyn is the Messiah sent to save us all, yadda yadda yadda boring boring boring.

Just fecking vote and shut up about it all, especially demonising people who don't agree with Labour.

I think I saw Theresa kick a puppy the other day.

God it's boring

GraceGrape are you me?

"I joined the Lib Dems a few months back because for me, Brexit it is the biggest issue and they are the only party campaigning to keep us in the single market. I have been impressed with some of the Labour manifesto and considered a vote swap with someone, but I know the local Lib Dem candidate and he's a good guy so I'm going to stick with him. Nobody but the Tories will win in my constituency but I think vote share for the Lib Dems is important to show opposition to a hard Brexit. Labour's position on this is not clear enough."

There is a tactical guide in the telegraph
twitter.com/AgentP22/status/872495531733508096

My vote would be a wasted vote nearly, the Tories have such a strong majority where I am (10,000+ votes in the 2015 elections) and looking all the way back to the late 90's the 'smallest' margin was 7000 but I shall vote anyway even though it won't make any difference 😀

Just vote, no matter if you think your vote will be wasted, it everyone who is entitled to vote does so, the majority may not be in the Tories favour .....

Yawn All these giddy undecided people...

MacarenaFerreiro waitforitdear some of us are actually trying to have an adult debate here and respond to specific comments with reason and fact. If you don't like it don't read the thread. Because as you'll no doubt been keen to point out this is a democracy so that means we can debate our views - and if you can't debate politics on Election Day and its run up when you could actually make a difference when can you.

Just speaking to the young job experience student we have working on our team this month. He's booked tomorrow off because his polling station is in a pub and they're intending staying all night. Maybe this is how to engage the youth

nike please show me which newspapers have put pictures of May on their front pages and accused her explicitly of being a terrorist sympathiser?

fecking vote and shut up about it all, especially demonising people who don't agree with Labour.

Actually a lot of people do agree with labour but are prejudiced against Corbyn whilst simultaneously hating May.

All I can say if you are one of these people is don't moan when you vote green or whatever and the Tories get back in.

Pilates MotherofBleach

1. Many advisors and colleagues have resigned under Corbyn or disowned him in the last ten months, citing incompetence and his unelectability

On this one I think many of those who disowned him are the 'new labour' Tory lite members of the party who by rights would perhaps be a better fit in a new centre party. At the moment whilst Jc is in position the party has somewhat returned to its left leaning roots but there is a huge spectrum of thought across the party from the centrists to the very left wing and of course some of those are never going to agree with Jc.

And he is not unelectable Pilates, we are just being told he is, party membership and the biggest rallies since Blair came to power suggest otherwise. Unfortunately Jc is facing a loosing battle against media spin. Remember trump was apparently unelectable and the brexiters were never going to win.

On this one I think many of those who disowned him are the 'new labour' Tory lite members of the party who by rights would perhaps be a better fit in a new centre party.

No they really aren't. In fact there are quite a few that are to the left.

They also aren't 'Tory lite' they are Labour whether some like it or not.

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Calm down dear although your comments about Tory lite are exactly the reason you have lost labour the election and the sooner those types piss off back to momentum central the sooner labour can reform under a sensible leader and return to power.

That don't be today by the way so well done for that.

PigletWqsPoohsFriend I said 'many' not 'all' of course there are some lefties who do not agree with him.

And yes they are Labour members but it is a fact that there are Labour members from across the spectrum and JC's labour is more like the left Labour of old, which some of the ones who's leanings are towards 'new labour' are not going to like. This is the subject of much academic discussion, including whether it is time to splinter off into two groups which more suits each side of the spectrum (not something I agree with btw)

waitforitdear see comments above to Pooh. But no need to be so patronising or nasty, 'I' have not done anything! I am just an ordinary mum sat at home feeling despair for the future of her children.

I spent all day thinking about it and spoke to different people at work.

In the end I went labour and I'm happy with it.

Yay gunting!

Interestingly, I live in a Tory area, and the turnout at my polling station was quite low at 7pm.