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To think this person should be "struck off" from being a lifeguard?

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chippietea · 07/06/2017 12:28

Stayed on a holiday park well known chain last weekend Friday to Sunday. Sunday afternoon we went into the pool for the first time (we had already looked around it). I took the baby in a float (10mo) and my son and my niece (both 13yo) headed for the slide. I paddled over to near the exit of the slide with the baby to watch them drop out. My son came out first and after he landed in the water and came back up to the surface a female lifeguard (I'll call her L) said to him "there is a gold fish in the water why don't you try to find it?" I had already heard her say this to two other little girls and thought well he is a bit old for games like that and sure enough he didn't take much notice. Then it was my nieces turn. As she came around the last bend of the slide and I caught sight of her the same lifeguard L said to her "Quick!Stop!" before she had exited the slide. So my niece tried to stop herself from exiting the slide and told me afterwards that she panicked and thought something bad was about to happen. She couldn't stop herself from falling off of the end of the slide so she landed in the plunge pool. When she came up out of he water she looked at the lifeguard L and waited for her to tell her why she had told her to stop. But she didn't say anything and was grinning. At that point my niece turned to me and asked me why did she tell me to stop? It was only then that I saw L's expression change as she hadn't realized up until that point that I knew this girl and had witnessed what had happened. So I replied to my niece I don't know, I then turned to L and asked her the same question. To which she replied "it was just a joke". I informed her that I did not think that that is very funny and it was quite juvenile and she said I'm sorry. It was at that point that I found out what this lifeguards name was. I then swam away from her. I was furious. I think it is outrageous that somebody in a position of responsibility as a lifeguard thinks that it is a funny joke to tell a 13-year-old girl who is going down a waterslide to stop when in my opinion she knew full well that she would not be able to stop and make that child believe that she is about to be injured or is in danger when in fact there was absolutely no reason for her to stop. I saw L speaking with another lady after the incident who was wearing a white polo shirt and obviously a member of staff. I decided I would go to reception once we had left the pool to raise my concerns when the children were not with me, I did not want to distress them. I was also not keen on staying in the pool after this incident had occurred but again I did not want to distress the children and make them feel as though they were being punished for something that was out of their control. When I arrived at reception approximately 45 minutes to an hour later I started to speak to a lady and express my dissatisfaction. During this conversation the lady in the white polo shirt entered reception from the back somewhere and the lady that I spoke to at reception beckoned her over. She introduced herself as the sports and leisure manager (I'll call her N). So I told her what had happened and her response was yes I know all about it L spoke to me after the incident. She then began a corporate sounding speech saying that "here at THE COMPANY we don't believe our lifeguards should be viewed as being there just to enforce rules, we believe they should engage with the guests. L told me that she said to your niece quick stop look for this goldfish". Obviously at that point I stopped N and told her that did not happen, there was no mention whatsoever of a goldfish to my niece when L told her to stop, at which point she was still actually going down the waterslide. This was utterly untrue. N said she would speak to L about the incident and she can only apologize. This exchange with N did nothing to pacify my dissatisfaction. I asked N that if she had known about this incident for up to an hour why where we only having this conversation now? She said she didn't know who I was in the pool area. I found it very hard to believe that she couldn't have asked L to point me out. I also felt that had L not felt that she had done anything wrong as N was trying to put across to me why would she have approached N to discuss this matter quite quickly after it happened? I felt in my honest opinion that she had done so in order to put her spin on what had happened for her own reasons, to try and save herself and not for any concern for my or my nieces experience. Not only that but she had lied by telling N that she spoke to my niece about the goldfish which was utterly untrue. I also felt that N had already come to a conclusion in her mind as to what had happened just purely from L's perspective and she had little interest in finding out from me what had happened before she formed her opinion. I ended up logging this as an official complaint at reception and the lady who took my complaint asked me what do you want us to do for you? My response was for me quite simply nothing. I don't want a refund, I don't want a free upgrade, I don't want any vouchers. I want L to be dealt with appropriately because she not only made a child believe that they were in danger she then went on to lie about what happened. Also by my niece trying to stop when there was no need to could have caused injury or harm to my niece or another person. In my opinion this is a health and safety issue and a safeguarding issue. I received an email today again apologizing and saying the member of staff has received additional training to make sure that this never happens again. All within the space of less than 48 hours. I find it very saddening that an adult in a position of responsibility such as a lifeguard has in my opinion abused the power that comes with that responsibility over a child and that THE COMPANY finds it appropriate to allow that member of staff to continue operating in that position of responsibility. To this date I have no idea of L's motives when she told a child to quickly stop when going down a waterslide and I expect that I never will. AIBU to want to stop this woman from being able to continue working in this capacity?

OP posts:
chippietea · 07/06/2017 14:34

Whattodo oh absolutely they will be pissing themselves at this... for now... MUHAHAHA rubs hands together in manner of pinky and the brain style plotting

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EvansOvalPies · 07/06/2017 14:34

Isadora - Lifeguarding is indeed a qualification (my daughter is a Lifeguard and now a Swimming Teacher) but for her lifeguarding hours, she receives minimum wage. She has had to pay for the courses to get her to her lifeguarding levels (£400 for the first level, whilst she was a student in college, bank of Mum and Dad paid for that, naturally). Regular staff training, swimming/life-saving assessments and meetings required. So minimum wage after all that training is not great. Her level 2 qualification comprises: Pool Lifeguarding, Intervention, Supervision and Rescue (rescue includes using a rescue board, where necessary). She has saved three lives, an adult man and two children.

I'm guessing that in a holiday park, perhaps the staff are encouraged to engage and have a bit of banter with their guests, more so? Hopefully the Lifeguard involved (also the establishment) in OP's thread has/have learned a lesson. But she doesn't deserve to lose her job over it - she may have been a little misguided and over-enthusiastic with her jolly japes, but no harm was done, thankfully.

GinSwigmore · 07/06/2017 14:34

I can be added to the spreadsheet of drama llamas alongside you OP as I would be absolutely fucking furious.
Utter horseshit regarding it being a tedious or minimum wage job, so fucking what? I wouldn't want her anywhere near my kids, you don't fuck about on a slide or in water.
I also agree she was covering her arse and there will have been eyerolling and fuck all else done about it. Name and shame and stick it on trip advisor then at least those with kids who are not so confident in the water/ kids who are ocd with rules/authority are aware the staff there are a liability. Can't believe the responses you've had on here.

chippietea · 07/06/2017 14:35

I'm struggling to understand the correlation between hourly wage rates and ethics Hmm

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Fruitcocktail6 · 07/06/2017 14:39

God that was boring, I have gave up half way through.

Get a life or a job or a hobby or something, OP.

chippietea · 07/06/2017 14:40

Fruit I have all three but I'm on mat leave and it's a slow day....

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SheSaidHeSaid · 07/06/2017 14:43

I'll be honest, I didn't read the whole thing because it was too hard to read and frantic.

From what I did read, it sounds like you need to calm down. The life guard was probably scared after you questioned her so probably won't do it again, lesson learnt.

chippietea · 07/06/2017 14:48

Here are your previous paragraphs

Stayed on a holiday park well known chain last weekend Friday to Sunday. Sunday afternoon we went into the pool for the first time (we had already looked around it). I took the baby in a float (10mo) and my

son and my niece (both 13yo) headed for the slide. I paddled over to near the exit of the slide with the baby to watch them drop out. My son came out first and after he landed in the water and came back up to the

surface a female lifeguard (I'll call her L) said to him "there is a gold fish in the water why don't you try to find it?" I had already heard her say this to two other little girls and thought well he is a bit old for games like that and sure enough he didn't take much notice. Then it was my nieces turn. As she

came around the last bend of the slide and I caught sight of her the same lifeguard L said to her "Quick!Stop!" before she had exited the slide. So my niece tried to stop herself from exiting the slide and told

me afterwards that she panicked and thought something bad was about to happen. She couldn't stop herself from falling off of the end of the slide so she landed in the plunge pool. When she came up out of he

water she looked at the lifeguard L and waited for her to tell her why she had told her to stop. But she didn't say anything and was grinning. At that point my niece turned to me and asked me why did she tell me

to stop? It was only then that I saw L's expression change as she hadn't realized up until that point that I knew this girl and had witnessed what had happened. So I replied to my niece I don't know, I then

turned to L and asked her the same question. To which she replied "it was just a joke". I informed her that I did not think that that is very funny and it was quite juvenile and she said I'm sorry. It was at that

point that I found out what this lifeguards name was. I then swam away from her. I was furious. I think it is outrageous that somebody in a position of responsibility as a lifeguard thinks that it is a funny joke to tell a 13-year-old girl who is going down a waterslide to stop when in my opinion she knew full well that she would not be able to stop and make that child believe that she is about to be injured or is in danger when in fact there was

absolutely no reason for her to stop. I saw L speaking with another lady after the incident who was wearing a white polo shirt and obviously a member of staff. I decided I would go to reception once we had left the pool to raise my concerns when the

children were not with me, I did not want to distress them. I was also not keen on staying in the pool after this incident had occurred but again I did not want to distress the children and make them feel as though they were being punished for something

that was out of their control. When I arrived at reception approximately 45 minutes to an hour later I started to speak to a lady and express my dissatisfaction. During this conversation the lady in the white polo shirt entered reception from the back somewhere and the lady that I spoke to at reception beckoned her over. She introduced herself as the sports and leisure manager (

I'll call her N). So I told her what had happened and her response was yes I know all about it L spoke to me after the incident. She then began a corporate sounding speech saying that "here at THE COMPANY

we don't believe our lifeguards should be viewed as being there just to enforce rules, we believe they should engage with the guests. L told me that she said to your niece quick stop look for this goldfish". Obviously at that point I stopped N and told her that did not happen, there was no mention

whatsoever of a goldfish to my niece when L told her to stop, at which point she was still actually going down the waterslide. This was utterly untrue. N said she would speak to L about the incident and she can only apologize. This exchange with N did nothing to pacify my dissatisfaction. I asked N that if she had known about this incident for up to an hour why where we only having

this conversation now? She said she didn't know who I was in the pool area. I found it very hard to believe that she couldn't have asked L to point me out. I also felt that had L not felt that she had done anything wrong as N was trying to put across to

me why would she have approached N to discuss this matter quite quickly after it happened? I felt in my honest opinion that she had done so in order to put her spin on what had happened for her own reasons, to try and save herself and not for any concern for my or my nieces experience. Not only

that but she had lied by telling N that she spoke to my niece about the goldfish which was utterly untrue. I also felt that N had already come to a conclusion in her mind as to what had happened just purely from L's perspective and she had little interest in finding

out from me what had happened before she formed her opinion. I ended up logging this as an official complaint at reception and the lady who took my complaint asked me what do you want us to do for you? My response was for me quite simply nothing. I don't want a refund, I don't want a free upgrade, I don't want any vouchers. I

want L to be dealt with appropriately because she not only made a child believe that they were in danger she then went on to lie about what happened. Also by my niece trying to stop when there was no need to could have caused injury or harm to my niece or another person. In my opinion

this is a health and safety issue and a safeguarding issue. I received an email today again apologizing and saying the member of staff has received additional training to make sure that this never happens again. All within the space of less than 48 hours. I find it very saddening

that an adult in a position of responsibility such as a lifeguard has in my opinion abused the power that comes with that responsibility over a child and that THE COMPANY finds it appropriate to allow that member of staff to continue

operating in that position of responsibility. To this date I have no idea of L's motives when she told a child to quickly stop when going down a waterslide and I expect that I never will. AIBU to want to stop this woman from being able to continue working in this capacity?

OP posts:
chippietea · 07/06/2017 14:48

*precious

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SheSaidHeSaid · 07/06/2017 14:54

Precious 😂 Grin

Catherinebee85 · 07/06/2017 15:08

Wow. Just wow.

Buildmeupbuttercup89 · 07/06/2017 15:09

I'm gonna join the get a grip brigade

EvansOvalPies · 07/06/2017 15:09

I'm not even sure it's possible to be able to tell someone to Stop! on a waterslide. Would the slidee even be able to hear the instruction with all that sloshing water, let alone think quickly enough. Isn't it usually a whistle that brings someone's attention to a potential misdemeanour? (Disclaimer: Long time since I swam in a pool with slides and what-not, so I'm just thinking about it, no personal experience).

RtHonMistress · 07/06/2017 15:09

I'm really showing my precious pedanticism but these aren't paragraphs 😂

But for what it's worth, I do agree with you OP and I'd be angry too.

chocatoo · 07/06/2017 15:10

I'm afraid that I couldn't wade through it all without paragraphs and then the paragraphs that you've put it into weren't really paragraphs either making it v difficult to read. Sorry...

chippietea · 07/06/2017 15:11

Evans there were less than 10 people in the pool and the flow of water was quite weak, I see where you're coming from though because some are really noisy and spray-ey .. I just made spray-ey up

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EvansOvalPies · 07/06/2017 15:12

I'm really showing my precious pedanticism but these aren't paragraphs

(I think OP knows this, RtHonMistress - she's just being facetious)

JessicaEccles · 07/06/2017 15:14

When my dad was at school, they had a tradition of Hunting the Blue Goldfish. Where the new kids would be encouraged to put their heads down the toilet. And then the chain was flushed.

Lunde · 07/06/2017 15:14

Lifeguard medallion training was something that was offered as a PE option when I was 14 at school. It is not a profession like being a doctor - it is something that high school and university students do as a part time job.

Get a grip

PersianCatLady · 07/06/2017 15:35

chippietea
If you can't be bothered to write in a readable way about your issue then I sure as hell can't be bothered to read about it.

PersianCatLady · 07/06/2017 15:39

precious
Oh the irony.

You are calling me precious when you have written an entire page in an unreadable format about nothing.

RtHonMistress · 07/06/2017 15:41

This thread is the best thing I've read all day.

chippietea · 07/06/2017 15:44

Persian the word precious was a correction from a mistake on the post before it (I had written 'previous' accidentally). Don't worry, this is my first and possibly last response to any of your comments.

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Heratnumber7 · 07/06/2017 15:44

IT WAS JUSTBA JOKE! Get a grip OP, and go and look for your sense of humour.

TheAntiBoop · 07/06/2017 16:15

It wasn't a very funny joke though. It's a taking the piss out of someone for your own amusement type joke. Which can be funny between friends/family or at stand up but leaves you on shakes ground with strangers.

The person I saw stuck their leg out to stop themselves but their body was going too fast and broke the leg.

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