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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to ask if anyone still is unsure about who to vote for?

66 replies

cjt110 · 07/06/2017 09:22

And if you are and still intend to vote, what will make up your mind in the next 24 hours?

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TheWildRumpyPumpus · 07/06/2017 11:46

Safe Tory area here, I'm still undecided where to put my cross and it really won't make any difference.

We've had no literature from anyone but the Conservatives and nobody door-knocking (do they even bother doing that anymore?).

metspengler · 07/06/2017 12:21

I'm sure I don't trust any of them and basically don't want to vote for any of them. I would love to confidently vote conservative or lib dem but there are issues with both.

Brexit:

Labour: "any deal is better than no deal" is the negotiating stance of a moron.

Lib Dem: "if you give us a bad enough deal we'll give you a second referendum and you'll win" is the negotiating stance of an idiot or a cynic.

Conservative: "no deal is better than one I don't like" is the kind of stance anyone with a functioning mind expresses before negotiating/haggling, even if really "no deal" is not an option.

I'm sure May's negotiating position on Brexit is the best of the 3 on offer.

So May normal, Corbyn terrible, Lib Dem worse.

Budgetary concerns about manifesto:

Going by what the IFS has said, none of them are fantastic. Lib Dems may be alright, but their job is to promise stuff they never intend to do, so anything that seems good in there may get Clegg'd if they get near power.

Conservative and Labour both look expensive. The main financial difference between them seems to be that Labour does not (going by the public spending increases and their rhetoric) intend to address the deficit any further, they are just going to increase it and say they're doing the opposite.

So Tory bad, Labour worse, Lib Dem impossible to tell (and they'd be in coalition anyway so none of it will happen).

Internal Security/rights:

May is somewhere between strong, and the (unacceptable) status quo on this one. Some terrifying police state stuff, I will find it hard to swallow on this one - but on the other hand she may actually deal with problems. Who knows if that's lip service though.

Corbyn thought DA would do bang up job of internal security and upholding rights, and he has a history of having links with/speaking up for terrorists while they were killing Britons.

Farron is basically meaningless on this as in everything else and can promise/criticize whatever he likes. It's right to express concerns about going too far on civil liberties/democracy, but I think if he really respected democracy and freedom as vital principles he would have been more graceful about (and less cynical about trying to reverse) the recent referendum result.

May terrible with possible very good points, Corbyn worse than that, Lib Dems irrelevant and hypocritical mosquito noise on sidelines.

Foreign relations:

May (and Boris) bad, Corbyn diabolical, Farron meaningless.

Also presumably we are going to spend unannounced billions decommissioning trident, sack thousands of people in Scotland, and have no deterrent if Corbyn gets in and instantly makes it all worthless.

...and so on

Overall, conservative seems slightly less horrendously shit than the other options. Slighly.

FlyingElbows · 07/06/2017 12:31

I'm Scottish so my choice is SNP to save ourselves or Labour to try and save us all. Voting Labour means I have to trust you (the English) to actually have the courage of your convictions. Do I trust you, because your slice of the cake is bigger than ours and you can fuck us right over no matter what we want. It's a tough one but I admit I have been more impressed with the Labour party over the last week than for months previous. Do I trust JC to stay the charismatic human he's shown us or will he disappear back into his London-centric fan club?

Nikephorus · 07/06/2017 12:33

Not voting labour because you don't like the idea of DA as Home Secretary is like not buying a house because you don't like the curtains, there'll be a cabinet reshuffle like there always is.
Corbyn had actually said though that the front bench would stay the same (and I bet Abbott will be well again if JC gets in) so I wouldn't be too sure of that. (There was a specific quote from him which I saw a couple of days ago but I can't remember where - someone else may remember)

Thornyrose7 · 07/06/2017 13:08

Swinging between Lib dem and Labour me.
I have always supported Labour and I think Corbyn is decent and principled. But something is stopping me giving them my whole hearted support. I think it is some of the unpleasant shadow cabinet around him and the skill that is needed to tackle difficult world events like Brexit, Trump presidency, terrorism. I am relieved that Dianne Abbot has stepped aside. But it's not enough. I do like some Lib dem policies, but I cant warm to Tim Farron. But there are some decent brains in that party....what to do?!!!

ArchieStar · 07/06/2017 13:16

I can't bring myself to vote for either labour or Tory. I'm literally just gonna pick a name when I get there that don't represent either of them

makeourfuture · 07/06/2017 13:22

May is somewhere between strong

Strong on quashing human rights.

Weak on funding police.

FruitCider · 07/06/2017 15:14

"Last winter tens of thousands of sick patients were left waiting on trollies in A+E departments. Lots of them were Conservative voters."

Just about sums it up really.

www.facebook.com/TheIndependentOnline/videos/10154875151296636/

Laiste · 07/06/2017 15:40

Just done that survey. It's good! Very interesting.

As i understand, it seems to be saying that at the moment, with 283.3k completed surveys, labour have 24.8% of the national vote at this time and cons are on 16%.

That news made me happy :)

Laiste · 07/06/2017 15:41

Sorry, here's a link.

voteforpolicies.org.uk/survey/1/select-issues

metspengler · 07/06/2017 15:53

*May is somewhere between strong

Strong on quashing human rights.

Weak on funding police.*

Momentum is strong on sound bites.

They've got what plants crave.

justanotheryoungmother · 07/06/2017 15:54

I'm still undecided.

Want to vote Labour but they came 4th here last year, it's an SNP vs Lib Dem seat here, don't want the Lib Deme to win so torn between Labour and SNP Sad

Wotrewelookinat · 07/06/2017 16:16

I'm also stuck.
I will vote, and I won't spoil the ballot paper as I think that's pointless.
My constituency is blue through and through, and I can't see that changing in this election, so anyone I vote for will be a protest vote. I can't vote Tory, but do not want JC or TF to be prime minister. And even though I am 'green' in outlook, I do not feel they have enough decent policies to be able to vote for them.

SimplyNigella · 07/06/2017 16:29

IFS has an agenda

Everyone has an agenda, although interestingly the IFS economist I was speaking to recently who told me that Labour's numbers don't stack up is a lifelong Labour supporter.

peachgreen · 07/06/2017 16:54

I think that unless you're passionately committed to a particular party, you should either vote Tory (if you're right wing) or vote for whichever of Labour or Lib Dems that is more likely to beat the Tories in your constituency (if you're left-wing).

I'm in NI so will be voting Alliance (to beat the DUP) but wish I could vote Green. I'd love a Labour victory, if only because they're the only party committed to extending abortion rights to NI. Currently women are forced to carry to full term even in instances of rape, incest and fatal fetal abnormality.

But unfortunately I think it will be a Tory landslide.

OnnaNoHito · 07/06/2017 17:42

@justanotheryoungmother - I'm sure you've heard it before, but this election is also about independence for Scotland. A vote for the SNP grants them the mandate for another referendum if they want to hold one after Brexit, so whether you're a Yes or No might help you to make the decision!

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