to wonder how anyone could think Theresa May is the best person to solve the terrorist problem when she's just failed to do that for the last 7 years?

[ciderinsideher]

I simply don't understand how she can stand there after 3 terrorist attacks in short succession and say 'Trust me. I'll make sure there is no problem with terrorism' - when we can all see that she's been in power for 7 years, first as Home Secretary in charge of policing (cut the police force by 20,000 officers) and now as Prime Minister, and totally failed to do that?

Claiming Corbyn would be worse is a bit irrelevant - maybe he would be, maybe he wouldn't, but at least he'd fund the police properly.

I simply can't think of one single reason to believe that the Tories have a ruddy clue on security.

Newsthump puts it well:

newsthump.com/2017/06/05/uk-hasnt-done-enough-to-tackle-terrorism-says-woman-whose-job-it-was-to-tackle-terrorism/

And now - Saudi.

A response to my question about why Theresa May is refusing to look into Saudi funding of UK terrorism.

Anyone?

"MaybeNextWeek -

1. It has always been illegal to threaten to murder people in the UK. No new laws needed.

1. Saudi.

Tumbleweed..."

I'm sorry cider I was just eating my tea

The UK has been dealing with Saudi for decades. You can't lay that one at TM's door.

'It has always been illegal to threaten to murder people in the UK. No new laws needed. ' zzz..

Yes, however spouting extremist stuff isn't and it can be seen as 'free speech' and airing 'different political opinions' which your pal jezza supports. So the lines are often blurred unfortunately and it is hard to convict. However, as I keep saying perhaps the judicial process may now be reviewed

I have nothing worthwhile to contribute to the main debate, but would like to point out that waitforitdear is factually wrong, though it is hardly surprising given the level of coverage in most of the media: the whole Labour Party, not Corbyn in particular, voted against the bill to formally establish MI5 because of technical issues to do with the way the bill was drafted, not because they wanted to abolish it. We need grown up debate about these serious issues, not manipulative sound bites that treat us like useful idiots. Hansard link to the original parliamentary discussion: hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1989/jan/23/security-service-bill#S6CV0145P0_19890123_HOC_331

Agreed, Lweji

To be clear (before I have to leave the thread for the school run), I dont' think that TM is completely wonderful and hasn't put a foot wrong over the last seven years. There are definitely legitimate questions to be asked about capacity, resourcing and missed chances, both in relation to recent attacks and more generally.

But it's almost impossible to have those conversations with someone who doesn't understand the basics of how the security services work, and whilst the alternative is Jeremy Corbyn and (probably Diane Abbott), TM is my preferred option to be in charge.

The same May who dissociated from Boris' comments about Saudi Arabia?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/08/boris-johnsons-remarks-about-saudi-arabia-not-the-governments-view

We don't have free speech laws in the UK. It's not the US. We do however have clear laws against inciting violence.

'Jezza' isn't my pal and more importantly, he isn't PM and hasn't been Home Sec for 6 years either. So your tired ad hominems at him seem a bit irrelevant.

'Jezza' is not to blame for the underfunding of the police or the refusal to have hard conversations with Saudi about terrorist funding in the UK.

May is.

She hasn't done that.

She should have done.

Hence the thread...

She hasn't done that.

She should have done.

Nutshell.

Well hence your repeated points. which I disagree with. TM has had her hands tied by lefties worrying about surveillance of 'innocents' and wrongful accusations of islamophobia if theres been any clamping down of radical speech, lots of 'human rights' bollocks.
Call me thick, a liar and gullible though if it makes you feel superior though.

swirly

You can spin it how you like he voted against every bill. Not one every one.

Still there's always reliable old Dianne Abbott in the home office.

God help us all

maybe well quite and just the types posting in support of their dear leader

Yes, I would absolutely expect someone like that to be a priority.

Because he hadn't actually done anything illegal, It's hard reading people now crying for a police state, it wasn't so long ago that people was up in arms because people where being pulled in for questioning because they went to syria or even stopped from going in the first place.

Love the 'ad hominen' accusations when you dare to say Jezza. Couple of days ago we had a 'TM is a cunt' thread. If only lefties would practice what they preach.

That's where May's reduced resources affects their capacity to prevent attacks.

No, the funding towards the secret service actually increased under this government.

A bobby on the street isn't going to stop this, it might make people feel safer

She's the Prime Minister - if she doesn't make the laws, who does?

Parliament.

'it wasn't so long ago that people was up in arms because people where being pulled in for questioning because they went to syria or even stopped from going in the first place.'

Yes, I bet Jezza needed his smelling salts when he read stuff like that ^

waitforitdear I would say that quoting actual facts from Hansard, which is the verbatim daily report published by Parliament of its proceedings, is exactly the opposite of "spin".

ciderinsideher Laiste - this is mumsnet, not Conservative Central Office.

I'm a 'she' not a 'he'. hmm

The default here is 'she'. hmm

What are you on about? Sorry about the he. Now get off your high horse.

There is nothing worthwhile in de-radicalizing terrorists other than with a bullet.

The allies spent years on De-Nazification of German citizens after World War 2, and that did nothing to stop people supporting that cause to this day, although I must admit there was no crimes post WW2 like there is now.

The facts are he has voted against every piece of anti terror legislation. Opposed the shoot to kill policy until last week and wanted to abolish MI5! The man is an idiot.

Do you trust Dianne Abbott? Easy question for you

'The facts are he has voted against every piece of anti terror legislation. Opposed the shoot to kill policy until last week and wanted to abolish MI5! The man is an idiot. '

Yes what do say about that ^ op?

Votes on anti-terror legislation by May and Corbyn

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40111329

Im confused. Op seems to want to blame TM for not doing 'enough' to stop recent Islamic terrorism but complains and is against new powers to enable TM to stop future Islamic radicalization / terrorism.

It is not a fact he wanted to abolish MI5. He did not oppose a shoot to kill policy in the context of a terrorist incident, this has been covered by the complaint against the BBC that was upheld by the BBC trust, though the manipulated clip is still being circulated.

'Im confused. Op seems to want to blame TM for not doing 'enough' to stop recent Islamic terrorism but complains and is against new powers to enable TM to stop future Islamic radicalization / terrorism'

Glad it's not just me.

JC did vote against every anti terrorism bill, i thought that was obvious as its public record.

www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10133/jeremy_corbyn/islington_north/divisions?policy=1053

You could say that he was voting against the introduction of a police state, if so, then you cannot blame TM because we don't currently have one .